| Windows 7: reflect updates |
26 Jan 2011
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#21 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
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26 Jan 2011
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yeah i've read those articles, but i still don't really get it, i was hoping somebody would answer my specific questions directly, and point out where i've gone wrong.
using reflect to back up the mbr, doesn't restore the bootloader. true?
if true, what does backing up the mbr do?
maybe i need to read the articles again... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
26 Jan 2011
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#23 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
You do not backup the MBR, but you can restore it. It's the 512 byte boot sector at the beginning of the disk. The Bootmanager is something different. It is e.g. in the little 100MB active partition. It manages the various (or only one) operating system(s) in the system. And I don't want to confuse you with GRUB. - LOL. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
26 Jan 2011
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#24 | | Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 Australia |
When the PC is turned on a stable power supply is detected and then the BIOS starts the boot process. The BIOS looks to the first 512 bytes of the boot device (generally your HDD) for further information. This is the Master Boot Record (MBR). Two main components are some initial boot code at the beginning (x86 assembly code) and a partition table towards the end which gives information about the four allowable partitons on the disk.
Historically it was only given space for four partitions. My MBR is the first screenshot. It marks one partition as active.
The MBR passes control to the active partition and the Partition Boot Record (PBR) or boot sector, which loads the boot manager (bootmgr) located on it's partition. Also on this active system partition is the Boot Configuration Data (BCD) which provides information on where to go next. Typically it will point to something like C:\windows\system32\winload.exe which finally loads the Windows operating system. The BCD could also have a pointer to another operating system partition (eg. XP) in a multi boot environment.
The PBR, bootmgr and BCD can exist on their own primary active partition (the 100MB system reserved) or can be rolled into the one partition C: containing the operating system. But then C: must take on the multibooting BCD role as well.
So the boot sequence is:
BIOS --> MBR (inc partition table) at start of disk --> [ PBR (at start of active partition) --> Boot Manager (Using BCD) ] --> C:\windows\system32\winload.exe [....] Key elements of 100MB system reserved for booting
Again here is the Hex of the MBR and the Hex of the first part of the PBR.
To get the PBR Hex I mounted a macrium image of the 100MB system reserved and opened it with a Hex editor. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Own build (+ Recased Acer Aspire x1800) OS Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1 x 2 CPU Intel i7 2600k Motherboard ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Memory G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB Graphics Card Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+) Monitor(s) Displays Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350 Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK520 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK520 PSU Seasonic M12II 520W Case Lian Li Lancool PC-K60 Cooling Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+ Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB (000F), Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS + Internet Speed 6-7 Mbps Antivirus Norton NIS, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC) Browser FireFox Other Info Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1 |
26 Jan 2011
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Quote: Originally Posted by whs You do not backup the MBR, but you can restore it. It's the 512 byte boot sector at the beginning of the disk. The Bootmanager is something different. It is e.g. in the little 100MB active partition. It manages the various (or only one) operating system(s) in the system. And I don't want to confuse you with GRUB. - LOL. you don't restore it from a backup?
ok, it's nearly 2.30am , i've had lots of wine, i'm not going to learn much tonight.
i'll try again tomorrow.
*edit* thanks mjf - it's starting to become clear. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number mickey megabyte 1234 OS ultimate 64 sp1 CPU i5 2500K 3.3@4.2GHz Motherboard MSI P67A-GD53 Memory 8 gigs GSkill Ripjaws 1600 Graphics Card amd hd6950 Sound Card creative x-fi gamer Monitor(s) Displays samsung 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard saitek eclipse ii Mouse logitech g3 PSU antec 550 Case antec three hundred Cooling i'm a cooling fan Hard Drives ocz vertex 2e 60 gig, samsung f3 1tb, buffalo 2tb ext Internet Speed about 4 Mbps Other Info i love win7 |
26 Jan 2011
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#26 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
mjf, excellent - I think that would be worth a tutorial | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
26 Jan 2011
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#27 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit California |
Great job mjf!
Even I could follow your detailed explanation.
Just ask WHS about my little or no knowledge of computer's.  | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP M9077c OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel(R)Core(TM)2 quad Q6600@2.4GHz 2.39GHz Motherboard ASUSeK Memory 6GB DDR2 6400 Graphics Card GeForce 8500/512MB Sound Card Realtek High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays HP w2408 LCD 24" widescreen Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard MS wireless Inteli Mouse MS wireless Inteli Cooling 6 pack of Bud |
26 Jan 2011
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#28 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |

Quote: Originally Posted by The Howling Wolves Great job mjf!
Even I could follow your detailed explanation.
Just ask WHS about my little or no knowledge of computer's.   I know nothing. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 |
26 Jan 2011
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#29 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit California |
WHS,
You are just being too kind!
I know less than nothing compared to most here in 7 forums but I have learned a lot from the likes of you and others. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP M9077c OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit CPU Intel(R)Core(TM)2 quad Q6600@2.4GHz 2.39GHz Motherboard ASUSeK Memory 6GB DDR2 6400 Graphics Card GeForce 8500/512MB Sound Card Realtek High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays HP w2408 LCD 24" widescreen Screen Resolution 1920x1200 Keyboard MS wireless Inteli Mouse MS wireless Inteli Cooling 6 pack of Bud |
26 Jan 2011
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#30 | | Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 Florida in winter, Black Forest/Germany |
We all learn from each other. Everybody has some specialty where he/she excels. Without the forums, I would know very little about PCs. But the best is to be among friends. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HP, Dell, Gateway, Toshiba - 4 laptops and 2 desktops OS Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8 CPU from 1.6GHz Duo to i7 Monitor(s) Displays 2x HP w2207 Keyboard with trackball - no mices Mouse Trackball mice Hard Drives 5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals Internet Speed DSL 6000 reflect updates problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:58 PM. | |