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Windows 7: looking for Word processor with advanced features - spoiler feature


22 Oct 2011   #1
robin77

Windows7
 
 
looking for Word processor with advanced features - spoiler feature

Hi,
I am looking for a word processor that allows me to do something similar to the "spoiler" tag which is often used in forums.
in other words... a function that gives me the possibility to hide/unhide some marked text by pressing a button.

if you con't know what i am talking about, check this example (it's in the second post)
MagiQuest Forums • View topic - Spoiler Tags

i would also use a different solution as long as it provides similar functionality... any ideas?


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22 Oct 2011   #2
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Evidently Open Office can do it. Maybe not with an embedded button in text, but I take it a toolbar button can toggle view/hide of text. Check out this thread:

[Issue] Hidden text button in Writer toolbar (View topic) • OpenOffice.org Community Forum

The other thing I looked for was some kind of Ole or ActiveX button that could be embedded in the document. But I didn't find anything there.
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22 Oct 2011   #3
robin77

Windows7
 
 

Thanks Miles,
I checked that post. The threadstarter states that he used to "hide" text in MS word and is looking for a similar solution in Writer.... BUT what he did is not exactly what I am looking for.

I really need a button INSIDE the text that expands/unhides a textfield. preferably with the possibility to even nest several "layers" of hidden text (hidden inside hidden inside hidden etc...).

It's a bit like having a folder structure inside the document and the user is able to collapse/expand areas (maybe a bit like the "plus" signs inside of windows help files.)

btw... I already spent quite some time looking for a solution. from what I have found so far there is no way to do it in word (actually i really dont mind, cause word is too bloated for my taste)
my big hope is to find a customizable lightweight wordprocessor which allows something like this. what makes the search a bit hard is the fact that i don't exactly know how such a "feature" would be called > i don't know what to google for ; )
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22 Oct 2011   #4
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

That's why I was looking for an Ole or ActiveX solution. The most common ActiveX Control is a button. Ole is related and has to do with embedded documents. So I thought there may be something someplace that implemented a button similar to the web page spoiler button. If not ActiveX Control then I suspect you'd have to use something that can have script in the doc, such as an html document.

In fact MS has an .hta file type that's html that launches like an application. One example is a script that has a Gui window with a bunch of XCopy settings for those unfamiliar with xcopy command line settings. I doubt it's useful as a general purpose document though.

But I'm no word processor expert. I almost exclusively use plain text editors.
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22 Oct 2011   #5
robin77

Windows7
 
 

Thank you again for this answer. I did some searching for .hta but didnt find anything helpful in this matter yet. I had another idea though. since all this seems to be fairly easy in html it might be a good idea to just stick with it. in that case i'd need a wysiwyg html editor that allows me to write normal text which is in fact part of an html document.

i actually have such an application and it's the one i use for almost all my text editing.... it looks a little like wordpad.
in one particular "mode" it lets me create a new "webpage" instead of a new text document. the editor looks and behaves almost like a normal texteditor. and has 3 tabs - edit, source code and preview.
after doing some searching i found some simple code which is usually used for the "spoiler" part which i have described before.... only i didn't get it to work. from what i could see it uses javascript and this probably doesn't work inside my editor. if i save it and open it in a real browser it works!
so, what i would need now is a non javascript solution.... but once again it's hard to find if I cannot exactly name what i am looking for. *sigh* ; )
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23 Oct 2011   #6
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

If you really have your heart set on a button I would try the .hta approach. When the user double clicks on it, it opens just like a text file opens the default editor.

Only it's considered an "application" on the system. You can read more here:
Introduction to HTML Applications (HTAs)

Your javascript spoiler button should work in it.

edit: the wysiwyg editor does get stuff on a page quickly. But looking at it afterwards is the tough part. They tend to stick a zillion "&nbsp"s in the page to space things. But look around. You may find a free HTA "toolkit" on the web someplace.

Also there are programming source code repositories for VBScript and JavaScript. You might find examples that can be modified or fleshed out to get what you want. Also those programmers will answer questions on the forums to help you.
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23 Oct 2011   #7
robin77

Windows7
 
 

Thank you VERY much for the link.
I have taken a look at it... but to be honest, from my past experience it's probably not a good idea if I really dive into it. The reason is, that I am too unexperienced in this field and at the end it would take up too much time creating this thing to my needs.
the reason why i was looking for something like this is to save some time in the end. I already wasted the whole day yesterday with searching.
Well, also from past experience I guess that some day in the not so far future I just will stumble upon something that is exactly what i am looking for... I'll just have to be a little more patient ; )
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23 Oct 2011   #8
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

There are plenty of editors that have a "region" feature. At least for editing program source code. You can mark a region so it can be collapsed. Kind of like the Explorer list on the left side where sub-folders are indicated with a plus sign. Clicking it expands the tree to show the sub-folders. But not as snazzy as a button.

I know what you mean though. Often when I'm programming I try to find an easy way to do one particular thing and it can take more time than writing the rest of the program. There are always stumbling blocks.
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26 Oct 2011   #9
robin77

Windows7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MilesAhead View Post
There are plenty of editors that have a "region" feature.....
Really? Could you please name one. I'd be glad to take a look at it. I don't know any Texteditor that can do that...
Not sure how useful it is, in case it's restricted to a special "mode" only though.
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26 Oct 2011   #10
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Seems to be prevalent in scintilla based editors. SciTE is one.
Also the code editor in Visual Studio.

It's used mainly to collapse/expand blocks of code.

Scintilla and SciTE

These are text editors though. Not real word processors. I don't think you can export rtf or anything like that.
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