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Windows 7: Cloud Storage (SkyDrive)

13 Nov 2011   #11
kado897

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You can mount SkyDrive. See this tutorial. Read all the way through the best solution is near the end. Windows Live SkyDrive - Map Drive


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15 Nov 2011   #12
MPREv

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by AllOnTheBus View Post
Would it be possible to create a virtual server and then share
the VM with everyone involved here. Each person could then
...
...
Just an idea but would it work - not tested here
This is not a option for my now. The other users are all technic novices.
And where should the VM run? ….

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by killer bee View Post
i use Adrive. 50GB free space.
Don't see a way to mount it or something like this ....



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jeriff View Post
box.net should be OK .
25MB File size limit.
Hmmm hard.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi there
I think you've got two main problems with any decent sort of Cloud storage

1) Size -- generally FAR TOO SMALL to be of any significant use -- as for talking of under 16 GB you can easily store these on local HDD's (much much cheaper) or even a 16 GB usb stick.
But not portable as a web storage.
You missed the main aim of the tool.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
2) Bandwidth and Internet speed -- download might not be a problem but even with decent Internet connections Upload speeds are a FRACTION of the download speed so the upload of 30 GB could take a significant amount of time and if you are on some sort of capped internet usage tariff this will eat up into it big time.
In my use case there is not such a problem, so im looking for a web storage.

The goal is to share some data with a team.
Not to Back Up Movie files or something like this.
Work with big files should only be done at home where the Bandwidth is not a problem.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Then you have issues of Security -- do you trust the provider -- stability -- what happens if the provider goes out of business or sells the service to another provider who you might not know or trust -- rather like the odious practice Banks have of selling bad debts on to debt collection agencies for pennies in the dollar and then those agencies try and collect the full amount.
It is clear that no sensitive data will be stored unencrypted in the Cloud.
Also it is not the aim back up the data there.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Jeriff View Post
In face, I usually use Skydrive,for it won't shut down(Microsoft is always here with us), considering some other "better" service might shut down some day causing a loss of our valuable data.
Do you only use the Web interface?
Or is there a Way mounting it?
I didn' find a webDav Path or something like this
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
You can mount SkyDrive. See this tutorial. Read all the way through the best solution is near the end. Windows Live SkyDrive - Map Drive
I hope that that will help
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24 Nov 2011   #13
MPREv

Windows 7
 
 

Hmm the Tutorial realy helps,
now I can use it as local storage.

But Skydrive seems to be not very fast ...
Is there a Speed limit? Can I measure that?
Also sometimes there are troubles with the access.

Are there speed diferences of SkyDrive between countryies?
I'm living in austria.
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25 Nov 2011   #14
kado897

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It's never going to be fast. It is limited by the speed of your internet and by how busy the server is.
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26 Nov 2011   #15
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all
I'm still confused as to what you would actually use this service for.
People have replied -- for big files work at home - so no cloud for large files.

So small files -- but EVERYONE (and the dog) has at least ONE mobile phone these days which is capable of 16 or even 32 GB local storage via micro SD type cards so if you need to share data you can do it via the phone's wifi interface.

I'm totally at a loss as to what you would use the Cloud storage for - especially dealing with 5GB or less -- what on Earth is the point of it.

If you want to share data with a team it's also really EASY to set up an APACHE web server - use something like WAMP (Windows) or LAMP (Linux) - these use this well and trusted Apache web server with MySQL and Php. All these tools are free BTW.

The problem with fixed limits also with these type of providers is that shared data tends to grow very rapidly (almost exponentially) if your team are effectively collaborating with each other and contributing to the "common data pool".

Running your own server means the system won't suddenly stop because someone has added a file which takes you over the limit, further it's cheaper and infintely more flexible.

Here's one example but there are ZILLIONS of others

http://www.wampserver.com/en/

and for Linux fans
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorial...r-installation


Just having 5GB on a cloud IMO is totally useless -- just try sending two or 3 A3 professionally produced Photos etc to a 5GB limit storage device.

Cheers
jimbo
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26 Nov 2011   #16
kado897

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

I'm not totally convinced myself. I suppose the reasoning behind it is to make sure you have the same version no matter what device you access / change it on. Also useful for sharing and collaboration.

The main problems ATM are
1. Security / Privacy
2. Internet speed
3. Cost of anything above a few GB.
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28 Nov 2011   #17
MPREv

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi all
People have replied -- for big files work at home - so no cloud for large files.
There is a difference between _WORKING_ on files or _SHARING_ them.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
So small files -- but EVERYONE (and the dog) has at least ONE mobile phone these days which is capable of 16 or even 32 GB local storage via micro SD type cards so if you need to share data you can do it via the phone's wifi interface.
Hehe, a joke? Isn't it?
No, not everybody does have a smartphone. Thats a nonsense acceptance.
Althoug this is totaly unimportant, since a smartphone can not be compared to the internet,
but now I undersatnd that you can not imagine what advantages of the internet could be.
So, why recommand Smartphones wifi and not nomral PC HDDs?



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
If you want to share data with a team it's also really EASY to set up an APACHE web server - use something like WAMP (Windows) or LAMP (Linux) - these use this well and trusted Apache web server with MySQL and Php. All these tools are free BTW.

The problem with fixed limits also with these type of providers is that shared data tends to grow very rapidly (almost exponentially) if your team are effectively collaborating with each other and contributing to the "common data pool".

Running your own server means the system won't suddenly stop because someone has added a file which takes you over the limit, further it's cheaper and infintely more flexible.

Here's one example but there are ZILLIONS of others

Install PHP 5 Apache MySQL on Windows : WampServer

and for Linux fans
https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorial...r-installation
Yes maybe it is a good Idea to run a server on my ... hmm smartphone?
Why setting up a machine, that the non profit organisation does not have and pay for.
Also, doing it the right way is not "as easy" as you think and
setting up the server is also not even the half ...

If there is a free service out there, meeting our requirements, why I should have more effort?


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Just having 5GB on a cloud IMO is totally useless -- just try sending two or 3 A3 professionally produced Photos etc to a 5GB limit storage device.
Yes, no idea ... there are no files smaller than 5GB.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
It's never going to be fast. It is limited by the speed of your internet and by how busy the server is.
Also seems slow at a 100/100 MBit connection (not at home )
So It should be the server


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
I'm not totally convinced myself. I suppose the reasoning behind it is to make sure you have the same version no matter what device you access / change it on. Also useful for sharing and collaboration.

The main problems ATM are
1. Security / Privacy
2. Internet speed
3. Cost of anything above a few GB.
I can agree on this.
I think we are still in development at this point.
more services will come with more features.

If there is a need with could be full filled, why not useing it?
Don't store sensible/critical data (unencrypted).
Look at the speed, the space and the access posibilities (WebDav, Web Interface,...).
And if you are ok with it. use it.

So I'm looking for a service fullfilling our requirements.
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28 Nov 2011   #18
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I'm totally at a loss as to what you would use the Cloud storage for - especially dealing with 5GB or less -- what on Earth is the point of it.
I personally use Dropbox myself. You get 2GB for free and with referrals you get more space for free.

So, why do I use it
1). Keep important information there, which I might need from multiple locations. For example, my wife and i have a keepass database. This database is encrypted and contains usernames/passwords for various websites and registrations that I have made, she has made, etc. We keep this on dropbox because it keeps it synchronized to her PC, and my PC, and heaven forbid our house burns to the ground, or somebody breaks in and steals absolutely everything I own, I have a copy of this file in the cloud that I can access from any web browser. Thus, as long as I can log into dropbox (know that username/password) and then can unencrypt my Keepass database, I have access to my data. If you want to make it more secure, you could create a TrueCrypt container which is encrypted, then put the encrypted database into that encrypted container and then store it on dropbox.

2). ease of moving files around when a USB key might not be available. For example, I can copy files into a public area of my dropbox. Then, I can send a URL to a friend, who can then access the files that I placed there.

So for me, the cloud has it's place and is working well.
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