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Windows 7: More reliable software for hardware sensors?

10 Feb 2012   #11
writhziden

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
My temps,Q6600 2.40
I'm jealous of your cooling system.


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10 Feb 2012   #12
panais

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by writhziden View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
My temps,Q6600 2.40
I'm jealous of your cooling system.
Thanks,i can do much better,now is little hot,the fans are not in max.
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10 Feb 2012   #13
ignatzatsonic

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
My temps,Q6600 2.40,compare,do you see anything different\strange?

Are those HWInfo temps, ranging from 11 to 17, below ambient and likely bogus?
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10 Feb 2012   #14
writhziden

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
My temps,Q6600 2.40,compare,do you see anything different\strange?

Are those HWInfo temps, ranging from 11 to 17, below ambient and likely bogus?
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Looks like HWINFO is not configured to work right with that system.
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10 Feb 2012   #15
panais

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post
My temps,Q6600 2.40,compare,do you see anything different\strange?

Are those HWInfo temps, ranging from 11 to 17, below ambient and likely bogus?
I dont trust HWInfo.

My system is always cold for a specific reason.

Even if i over-overclock i get low temperatures in all softwares.

But especially i trust my bios and my laser thermometer.

My system is stand alone open wide case in out 10C cold room and i added 3 powerful fans.

No wires in the case all the wires are outside in back side of the computer.

If you touch my computer now its freezing!

I control the pc in my room which is connected with hdmi-hdni,wireless keyboard mouse etc

I made a small break in the wall and i tranfer 10 usb cables here.

So,no computer,no noise,no nothing,just a big screen 1 little keyboard and a mouse.

Coretmp though for me was always right.
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10 Feb 2012   #16
writhziden

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post

My system is stand alone open wide in out 10C cold room and i added 3 powerful fans.

If you touch my computer now its freezing!
Ah, the cool room might be part of why you have lower temperatures than I do. Hope you wear a jacket; 10 C is too cold for me. I also am unable to change my fan speeds for my CPU (why vendors feel the need to prevent us users from doing such things is beyond me). I can change my GPU fan speed, but that is hardly beneficial to the overall system. I am sure if I really looked into it, I could find a way to adjust my fan speeds. The system runs really well, so I guess I won't muck around with it.
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10 Feb 2012   #17
panais

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by writhziden View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by panais View Post

My system is stand alone open wide in out 10C cold room and i added 3 powerful fans.

If you touch my computer now its freezing!
Ah, the cool room might be part of why you have lower temperatures than I do. Hope you wear a jacket; 10 C is too cold for me. I also am unable to change my fan speeds for my CPU (why vendors feel the need to prevent us users from doing such things is beyond me). I can change my GPU fan speed, but that is hardly beneficial to the overall system. I am sure if I really looked into it, I could find a way to adjust my fan speeds. The system runs really well, so I guess I won't muck around with it.
Read again my last post.
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10 Feb 2012   #18
writhziden

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Ah, I see. You have two rooms; one for the user and one for the computer. Nice system. Probably better for your electric/heating bill, too.

I did a little research, and it seems HP computers are basically impossible to tweak fan settings on. Good thing I am happy with how the system is running and do not feel the need to. The only part of it that bothers me is I bought the machine, so I feel I should have more control over how it functions. Ah well...

I'm going to mark this thread solved since my original question was answered. Looks like most of the sensor software works as it should and I was just misunderstanding what TCase and TJunction were. If I see any erroneous temperature values in the course of crashes and debugging, I will recommend one of the other pieces of software. RealTemp and Core Temp seem to be the most reliable for core temperatures IMO. I think HWINFO is useful for getting hardware specs and also GPU temperatures.
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11 Feb 2012   #19
Dave76

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This link is a long read but interesting information.

I did some researched on the info posted and found it to be accurate.

core2duo and core2quad temperature guide

Quote:
Intel provides complete specifications for Tcase (CPU temperature), but only partial specifications for Tjunction (Core temperature), which has caused much confusion and debate in the overclocking community concerning test methods, temperature monitoring utilities and accuracy. The monitoring utilities provided by motherboard manufacturers monitor CPU temperature, while some popular freeware utilities monitor Core temperatures. The most accurate Core temperature monitoring utility available is Real Temp 2.7 - Real Temp - CPU temperature monitoring - which has several unique and innovative features, and is recommended for users interested in monitoring Core temperatures only.
TjunctionMax (TJ Max) = the point at which thermal shutdown occurs, to prevent your CPU from melting.
Quote:
TCase is 71.4 C, so TJ Max should be 76.4 C
Intel recommended max TCase is 71.4C add 5C so your Intel recommended TJ (CPU core) acceptable limit is 76.4C.



Depending on your BIOS settings, the temps seem fairly high.
Are you using the EIST settings?
When was the last time you re-applied the CPU thermal paste?
Even if recently you should pull off the CPU cooler and check it, then re-apply thermal paste.
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11 Feb 2012   #20
writhziden

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post

Depending on your BIOS settings, the temps seem fairly high.
Are you using the EIST settings?
When was the last time you re-applied the CPU thermal paste?
Even if recently you should pull off the CPU cooler and check it, then re-apply thermal paste.
I cannot make any changes to the BIOS settings for thermal monitoring/control or voltage control. It does not appear EIST is enabled. I could apply thermal paste, but I do not feel there is need to do so because the fans are not running at a high RPM when the CPU gets into the high 70s, so it appears the HP BIOS thermal control settings have a higher setting than 76-79 C, and the CPU is not in danger. I know that if the CPU gets above ~85 C, the fans kick in at a higher RPM because it sounds like a vacuum cleaner started up in my machine.

I think HP designed the system to run a little hotter so the fans are not running so loud as to annoy the customer. The system has been like this since I bought it, and I have never had any indication of overheating occurring other than when dust accumulated causing the fans to run fast more often. I have never had the system shut down to prevent damage due to heat issues.

After reading through the link, I am wondering if maybe the temperatures I am getting need to be offset to be more accurate. I will have to spend some time determining the calibration method used in the link and see if that helps.
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