| Windows 7: CCLeaner Drive Wiper |
18 Feb 2013
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CCLeaner Drive Wiper I have been using CCLeaner for about a week for registry fix, im pretty impressed with it. Im currently running the driver wipe on "Free Space Only". Now, does that mean its only overwriting portions of my computer that are (dur) free? Say, I had a text file with my passwords/credit cards on it, and I deleted it. Would that now fall into free space? Also, it has a couple options. Single, 3 pass, 7, pass, and 35 pass overwrite. I have heard conflicting arguments about how many passes really ensures your data is IMPOSSIBLE to recover. I have heard people say 1, and people say up to 7. Why the hell would anyone do 35?? Thanks. | My System Specs |
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18 Feb 2013
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#2 | | Windows 7 Pro-x64 South Texas |
Yes, in simple terms free space is the unassigned areas of the disk. Keep in mind that nothing is "impossible" unless you melt the disk into a blob. I can't say why or how but rest assured, there's probably only a handful of people that can recover even 35 pass wipes. For most security needs, a three-pass wipe is sufficient.
But, be warned that if this is a Solid State Drive (SSD) you could dramatically shorten it's life and slow the drive down by repeated wipes. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Built 2/11/2011 OS Windows 7 Pro-x64 CPU i7-2600 3.4GHz - 3.8GHz Turbo Motherboard Intel DH67BL-B3 Memory 8Gb - 2x4GB, Muskin 991770 PC3-1333 Graphics Card Integrated Intel HD 2000 Sound Card Integrated Intel 10.1 HD, RealTek ALC892 Monitor(s) Displays Asus LCD VH222H, Haier HL24XSL2a Screen Resolution 1920x1080, 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech EX100 Wireless Mouse Logitech EX100 Wireless PSU Seasonic 650W 80+ Gold Modular Case Rosewill Defender Cooling Stock CPU, Four 120mm case fans, PCH fan added Hard Drives Crucial C300-128Gb,
Western Digital WD5002AALX - 500Gb,
Western Digital WD7501AALS - 750Gb Internet Speed 2.5/1.5 Mbs Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Microsoft Internet Explorer 10 Other Info Antec Veris Premier-Multimedia IR Station,
Cyber Accoustics-3602 Speakers,
AFT XM-5U Card Reader,
Hauppauge TV-HVR-2250,
Sony LX300 USB Turntable |
18 Feb 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 Northern Ohio |
I use Ccleaner free space wipe one pass. I have a ssd. If someone stole my desktop they would be the kind of person that wouldn't go through the time, money and trouble to see what is on free space. Free space is not empty. Things you delete go to free space waiting to be wrote over when the space is needed. The only reason I use the wipe is because sometimes I use my computer to test different malware ect. When a scan removes them they go to free space and I don't want them there or any place on my computer. Who knows but some nut made a virus to come back alive from free space and do its thing. I don't think it will wear out my ssd. My ssd is guaranteed for 5 years by Intel no matter how many reads/wright it does or does not have. I don't baby my ssd I just use it.
It doesn't seem to mind being used. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home made Desktop OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit. SP-1 CPU Intel i7-960-3.2 @ 4.25 Motherboard ASUS P6X58D-E Memory KINGSTON KHX2000C9, Hyper X,12 GIGS Graphics Card MSI/Nvidia/460GTX-Cyclone 1GD5/OC Monitor(s) Displays DYNEX 40 IN. Screen Resolution 1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI Keyboard M/S 3000 v 2.0 wireless Mouse M/S 5000 wireless PSU Corsair AX-850 Plus Gold Case Corsair 600T (Black) + side panel with 2 140 mm Noctua fans Cooling Corsair H50/2 Noctua NF-P12 (120 mm) Push/Pull- Hard Drives INTEL SSD 120GB-SER 510
Seagate 1TB SATA 600 7200 rpm Hard Drive Internet Speed 3.0 mb Antivirus Microsoft Security Eesentials Browser I.E. 10 default/Firefox Other Info LG BluRay-Read/Write
Sound system
KLipsch-THX
Asus Router RTN-12
2 Noctua 140 added on top of 600t case
Malwarebytes Anti Malware Professional
Windows 7 Firewall |
18 Feb 2013
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I ran a 3 overpass last night, took abotu 8 hours on about 120 gigs of freespace. Cant imagine how long a 35 pass would take. Why the hell does CCleaner even employ a 35 pass? | My System Specs | | |
18 Feb 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit Virginia |
I'm sure somewhere, there is someone who would want it. In fact, I remember being told one time (no clue if the following is accurate) when the CIA, FBI, and other federal agencies dispose of a hard drive, they format at least 35 times, then shred it in to hundreds of little pieces (I assume they would use something akin to a wood chipper), then collect all of those pieces and melt them down. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba P775-S7100 OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5-2450M @2.5 GHz Memory 6 GB DDR3 1333MHz Graphics Card Intel HD 3000 Monitor(s) Displays Built-in 17.3" LED; 22" Insignia NS-L22Q-10A Screen Resolution 1600x900; 1360x768 Hard Drives 750 GB Hitachi
1TB Seagate FreeAgent External Internet Speed Verizon DSL Speed(Down/Up): 3360 Kbps / 800 Kbps Antivirus MSE and MBAM Pro Browser IE10 RP |
18 Feb 2013
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 Mt. Crumpit/Whoville |
A 3 pass overwrite used to be DoD standard but was found to be recoverable with some common methods so the 7 pass was developed. Peter Gutman developed the algorithmic 35 pass which is supposed to wipe the last trace of any data so it can't be recovered by any means including electron microscopic examination.
I have read even a single pass on a SSD makes the data completely non-recoverable since it is not stored on magnetic media like a HDD has. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built Desktop By DataTech OS Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1 CPU Intel i5-2550K, Differing ~4.4-4.8GHz No built in GPU Motherboard ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Memory 16GB G.Skill Sniper 2133MHz 4x4GB Graphics Card ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 Sound Card Onboard Realtek 5-1 Monitor(s) Displays Samsung P2570HD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Old, beat-up Dell USB From 10 yrs Ago Mouse Gigabyte m6900 wired PSU Corsair HX650W Case Inwin Dragon Rider Cooling Hyper 212 EVO w/two Noctua fans, push-pull, @1300 RPM Hard Drives Crucial M4 128GB for OS, 750GB Seagate MomentusXT for data, 500GB Seagate Constellation for storage Internet Speed 8-19 Mbs down, 3-4 Mbs up Comcast Cable Antivirus Norton Internet Security Browser IE 9, Opera when needed Other Info 4 case fans, LG BluRay-RE, ASUS DVD-RW, Mr. Fusion power generator with flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts. |
18 Feb 2013
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#7 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 Indiana/Florida U.S.A. |
HTG Explains: Why You Only Have to Wipe a Disk Once to Erase It http://www.infosecisland.com/blogvie...Overwrite.html
The other passes (number of times) are older standards which really don't apply today. (In my understanding)
From Mr.Gutman himself : "In the time since this paper was published, some people have treated the 35-pass overwrite technique described in it more as a kind of voodoo incantation to banish evil spirits than the result of a technical analysis of drive encoding techniques. As a result, they advocate applying the voodoo to PRML and EPRML drives even though it will have no more effect than a simple scrubbing with random data. In fact performing the full 35-pass overwrite is pointless for any drive since it targets a blend of scenarios involving all types of (normally-used) encoding technology, which covers everything back to 30+-year-old MFM methods (if you don't understand that statement, re-read the paper). If you're using a drive which uses encoding technology X, you only need to perform the passes specific to X, and you never need to perform all 35 passes. For any modern PRML/EPRML drive, a few passes of random scrubbing is the best you can do. As the paper says, "A good scrubbing with random data will do about as well as can be expected". This was true in 1996, and is still true now." | My System Specs | | Computer type Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number Asus G74Sx OS Windows 7 Home Premium x64 CPU Intel i7 2670 Qm @2.20 Motherboard AsusTek G74Sx,1.0 Memory 16 GB DDR3 Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 560M -2040mb Monitor(s) Displays Generic Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 Hard Drives Crucial M4 128 gb SSD Internal/ 500gb Western Digital internal @ 7200 rpm (love the dual internal drives!)
1t Western Digital External, 500gb Western Digital External
500gb Seagate External x 2 Antivirus Avast Free Browser Opera/Maxthon3/Comodo Dragon (very rarely) CCLeaner Drive Wiper problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:50 AM. | |