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Windows 7: Windows Explorer - File info display


15 Oct 2009   #1

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 
Windows Explorer - File info display

If you can't beat them, join them, my mother always said.
Hope she was right.

I really like Windows 7 and it is and will be the OS I use.

However there are some things, mainly GUI quirks that should be addressed by MS.

1. The status bar.

It has grown three times in height, and while the bar is quite informative in case of certain files, yet in most case it uses less than 20% of the space.
Even worse is the fact that for folders it doesn't show the crucial information one would like to get.
In fact the only way to get it is right click/properties.

Example:
When you click on a folder in the right pane it will merely show:
the name of the folder,
the fact it is a filefolder, (really?)
when it was last edited

When you click on a folder in the left pane it only shows how many items are in it.

If the folder is shared, the bar will show it's shared and with whom.

And the shared with whom is erroneous, because it says it's shared with myself, while in fact in the shared settings it's shared with Everyone.

The fact the folder is shared should be represented by a shared icon overlay so it's instantly recognizable, but MS decided an administrator would be much happier clicking on ever single folder in the tree.

Come on MS, it's a statusbar, I want to see the status of the folder,
not just the name and when it was last edited.
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The info on a folder I would like to see on the statusbar is:

1. First and foremost the SIZE of the folder. Is that too much to ask?
2. How many files there are in the folder.
3. Creation date.
4. Ownership maybe? Is owned by.....
5. The permission the current user has for that folder?
6. The path.


2. Shared Icon Overlay

I mentioned this before, but I can't state this enough.
This single little thing might hold corporations from moving to Windows 7 and Server 2008 r2.

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In a folder tree I want to instantly recognize the shared folders!

Microsoft, bring this back to us ASAP!!!


3. To get to WPA settings is confusing.
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Manage wireless networks on the left pane vs wireless properties on the network properties tab.
Why are they named differently?
Why is WEP not in the list with WPA, WPA2 etc., but hidden under shared?


4. Still to many dialogs on top of the other.

That's one of my general points of criticism.
Although better than in XP and Vista, things that belong together are still to much spread out, and still to many dialogs on top of the other.

And so many legacy XP kind of dialogs.
Take Network Settings, Device Manager, File properties, Security tab, Shared tab, you name it.
All these small dialogs with even more buttons to open yet another dialog that resides on top of the other.

What they did with Network Centre is a step in the right direction,
although clicking on the items brings you back to XP style dialogs.
They should have done it for all these annoying dialogs.

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Microsoft, HELLO??!!, it's the 21st century, we have 22" screens and up you know?
Get rid of those ugly and counterproductive dialogs.


Resuming

Having said all this, I still feel Windows 7 is the best OS they made,
and I am very happy with it.
But there is tons of room for improvement.

All trolls satisfied now?
j/k

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15 Oct 2009   #2

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
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The info on a folder I would like to see on the statusbar is:

1. First and foremost the SIZE of the folder. Is that too much to ask?
2. How many files there are in the folder.
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Should be aware of the performance impact esp. on larger folders. Having the size taken up by the contents of the folder and the number of files would require Explorer to go though the folder's tree and calculate it all for display. Actually having in the status bar details pane whatever you call it, will be a major hit to performance and efficiency. Can you imagine Explorer trying to go though the folder, but oh you moved to another folder before it finished.

The Old New Thing : Why doesn't Explorer show recursive directory size as an optional column?
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15 Oct 2009   #3

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
information   Information

The info on a folder I would like to see on the statusbar is:

1. First and foremost the SIZE of the folder. Is that too much to ask?
2. How many files there are in the folder.
...
Should be aware of the performance impact esp. on larger folders. Having the size taken up by the contents of the folder and the number of files would require Explorer to go though the folder's tree and calculate it all for display. Actually having in the status bar details pane whatever you call it, will be a major hit to performance and efficiency. Can you imagine Explorer trying to go though the folder, but oh you moved to another folder before it finished.

The Old New Thing : Why doesn't Explorer show recursive directory size as an optional column?
When you hover the mouse over the folder it shows the size instantly.

Probably based on previous calculation, but that would be fine by me on the statusbar.

So this argument can be dismissed.

Edit: forgot. When you click on the folder in the left pane, amount of items is shown instantly too. So no slowing calculations being done.
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15 Oct 2009   #4

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
When you hover the mouse over the folder it shows the size instantly.

Probably based on previous calculation, but that would be fine by me on the statusbar.

So this argument can be dismissed.

Edit: forgot. When you click on the folder in the left pane, amount of items is shown instantly too. So no slowing calculations being done.
couldn't get instantaneous hover tips on large folder (Program Files) it took a few before the hover tip appeared. But I could hear the HDD churring away. In some cases I got incomplete or "more then" entries.

The hover tip I can understand having it, it is not always on, your mouse has to be sitting there to call it. While the status bar is on with a click.

As for the items count...that is easy because explorer is already pulling down the top tree and files when you click on it. :P
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15 Oct 2009   #5

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SquonkSC View Post
When you hover the mouse over the folder it shows the size instantly.

Probably based on previous calculation, but that would be fine by me on the statusbar.

So this argument can be dismissed.

Edit: forgot. When you click on the folder in the left pane, amount of items is shown instantly too. So no slowing calculations being done.
couldn't get instantaneous hover tips on large folder (Program Files) it took a few before the hover tip appeared. But I could hear the HDD churring away. In some cases I got incomplete or "more then" entries.

The hover tip I can understand having it, it is not always on, your mouse has to be sitting there to call it. While the status bar is on with a click.

As for the items count...that is easy because explorer is already pulling down the top tree and files when you click on it. :P
I personally wouldn't mind if when clicked on a folder there would appear a message saying "calculating size..." on the statusbar.
If I want to check the size I wait a few seconds.

As long as it doesn't hijack the explorer.
Meaning if I click on something else it should stop calculation instantly,
and let me move one.
I think this should be doable by MS's programmers.

It would beat having to rightclick the folder and left click properties,
and still wait until calculations are done.

It's a pity they haven't incorporated the size calculation in the indexing process. That would make it instant.

I guess we'll have to wait for NFS.

Greetings
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15 Oct 2009   #6

 

As far as the hover tool tip is concerned - useless for me. I just tested it on a variety of folders. The slight delay was tolerable. The report of 7.29 GB in a folder containing 105 GB with 3 MB in the root is a waste of resources.
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15 Oct 2009   #7

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Antman View Post
As far as the hover tool tip is concerned - useless for me. I just tested it on a variety of folders. The slight delay was tolerable. The report of 7.29 GB in a folder containing 105 GB with 3 MB in the root is a waste of resources.
I agree.

Just tested it and it is indeed useless.

Calculation would be necessary.
And as long as the calculation process wouldn't 't hijack the explorer,
I would prefer it over rightclick properties.

Greetings
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16 Oct 2009   #8
ECH

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ECH View Post
I still haven't got use to not having HD information (free Space, etc) in Windows Explorer's Status Bar. If anything I was expecting more information from the Status Bar.
Image 1 is a XP My Computer window with status bar. Image 2 is My Computer window from Seven.

Could you please tell me what is the info you don't find in Seven but which is available in XP?

Image 1:

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Image 2:

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Kari
Although I risk discussing this with you because you clearly show you don't understand what I talking about. However, I want to make sure that I'm clear on the issue if nothing more then for my own satisfaction (regardless if you get it or not). I want that information in window explorer's Status Bar without having to click on another window or highlight files/folder then going into property to get the information. I didn't say nor implied that the information wasn't available in Windows 7. However, that is how you replied to me. That's why I said earlier you do not understand my post. What was said is that I want that information in windows explorer's status bar just like you've shown in XP.

Let me elaborate a bit. If that information can be shown in the status bar of Computer it should also be available as an option in Windows Explorer. There, I hope that makes it clear for you .
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16 Oct 2009   #9

Windows 8.1 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ECH View Post
Let me elaborate a bit. If that information can be shown in the status bar of Computer it should also be available as an option in Windows Explorer. There, I hope that makes it clear for you .
While that information is shown on the [My] Computer screen this information does not come from scanning the file system tree. Instead it uses the far more accurate and faster method of counting the number of filled bits used in the $bitmap of the HDD.

That is why this data is shown.
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16 Oct 2009   #10
ECH

Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ECH View Post
Let me elaborate a bit. If that information can be shown in the status bar of Computer it should also be available as an option in Windows Explorer. There, I hope that makes it clear for you .
While that information is shown on the [My] Computer screen this information does not come from scanning the file system tree. Instead it uses the far more accurate and faster method of counting the number of filed bits used in the bitmap of the HDD.
Which if fine, thus better then status bar on XP's windows explorer. Which all the more sense to allow for this as an option in windows explorer's status bar for Windows 7.
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