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Windows 7: how to convert a fat 32 file to ntsf to enable larger than 4 gig

30 Aug 2013   #11
oldnooob

7 pro 64bit version6.1.7601
 
 

@Lmiller7 The applications are 32 bit. the source codes are only partially available. usually just enough to modify the dlls etc. the exe source code is what would be needed to convert the file to allow more than 3 gig ram usage, at least this is what I believe. Out of 8 billion people on this planet I find it impossible to believe that I am the only person that has wondered about this issue.. But thank you for your input.

@MilesAhead, Actually the issue is generic to all modern computer systems. People are writing code that requires more than 4 gigs of ram to function properly in a fat32 program. the only way to utilize this coding is to allow the program to access more ram which requires ntsf as far as I understand. the question that I am asking is "does anyone know of a legal workaround to allow a fat 32 program to utilize MORE than 4 gigs of ram!"


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31 Aug 2013   #12
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Please provide the system specs as requested by MilesAhead. In particular is this a 32 bit or 64 bit OS and how much RAM you have. This is of critical importance.
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31 Aug 2013   #13
Pauly

Win7 Ultimate X64
 
 

Seeing as you wont believe the answers we are giving you i thought i wold look up some references for you to educate yourself a little bit before you come back rejecting correct answers again

File Allocation Table - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
NTFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Random-access memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

64-bit computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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31 Aug 2013   #14
Britton30
Microsoft MVP

Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oldnooob View Post
@Lmiller7 The applications are 32 bit. the source codes are only partially available. usually just enough to modify the dlls etc. the exe source code is what would be needed to convert the file to allow more than 3 gig ram usage, at least this is what I believe. Out of 8 billion people on this planet I find it impossible to believe that I am the only person that has wondered about this issue.. But thank you for your input.

@MilesAhead, Actually the issue is generic to all modern computer systems. People are writing code that requires more than 4 gigs of ram to function properly in a fat32 program. the only way to utilize this coding is to allow the program to access more ram which requires ntsf as far as I understand. the question that I am asking is "does anyone know of a legal workaround to allow a fat 32 program to utilize MORE than 4 gigs of ram!"
Get a 64 bit operating system.
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31 Aug 2013   #15
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Hmmm, making FAT32 programs access more than 4 GB ram reminds me of Archie Bunker's solution to airplane hijackings. Just have a security guard passin' out pistols to the passengers befor take off and another collect 'em at the destination.
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31 Aug 2013   #16
pallesenw

Windows
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Britton30 View Post
Get a 64 bit operating system.
I don't think even that will help :-)
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31 Aug 2013   #17
redfang337

Linux Mint 15 "Olivia" x32
 
 

I think you mean a 32bit application, but those can only use up to 2gb of space, there are applications that can patch this as i have done this with skyrim so it could use up to 4gb of RAM, if this is what you mean, ask and i'll look for the instructions i used to accomplish it
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31 Aug 2013   #18
LMiller7

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit
 
 

By default a 32 bit process has a private virtual address space of 2 GB. In a 32 bit OS there is an option to increase this to 3 GB, but only if the application indicates to the OS that it is compatible and most are not. The option has some serious implications such that it is not suitable for general use. In a 64 bit OS compatible applications that are compatible will receive a 4 GB address space, but no more.

Note that this is a virtual address space and has no direct relationship to how much RAM the process will receive. That is always up to the OS memory manager.

As redfang337 mentioned there is a method of modifying an application for compatibility with an address space over 2 GB. But this doesn't actually make the application compatible, it merely causes it to indicate to the OS that it is. You may be forcing the application to lie, in which case it will probably crash.

Aside from the above mentioned option there is no reasonable way a user can modify an application to use more memory. Making a 32 bit OS compatible with a larger than 2 GB address space or converting it to 64 bit is a major task for a skilled application developer with access to the full source code. For anyone else it is so close to impossible as to not matter.
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31 Aug 2013   #19
oldnooob

7 pro 64bit version6.1.7601
 
 

@Redfang, If you play Skyrim on a pc then I am sure that you are aware of the thousands of mods available. the more mods you add to the main game require more ram, right?. you said that you have used the 4 gig patch as has every other gamer, BUT, wouldn't you love to be able to have the game be able to take better advantage of your computers capabilities? ergo my inquiry on this forum. I simply want to be able to take advantage of the many fantastic mods made for games that I play. the people that write the code for mods are only concerned with the few lines of code that they write not the end result of many mods added to a players game. does anyone understand where I am coming from ???

@Lmiller7, THANK YOU for finally understanding my question. your answer provides the information I am looking for.
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31 Aug 2013   #20
MilesAhead

Windows 7 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by oldnooob View Post
@Redfang, If you play Skyrim on a pc then I am sure that you are aware of the thousands of mods available. the more mods you add to the main game require more ram, right?. you said that you have used the 4 gig patch as has every other gamer, BUT, wouldn't you love to be able to have the game be able to take better advantage of your computers capabilities? ergo my inquiry on this forum. I simply want to be able to take advantage of the many fantastic mods made for games that I play. the people that write the code for mods are only concerned with the few lines of code that they write not the end result of many mods added to a players game. does anyone understand where I am coming from ???

@Lmiller7, THANK YOU for finally understanding my question. your answer provides the information I am looking for.
i think I referred to that here but since no info was forthcoming I lost interest.
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