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Windows 7: Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails

28 Sep 2013   #11
gregrocker

 

I'm a stickler for WIn7 being the first driver-complete OS so see red flags when a driver program is mentioned. These can cause problems.

As an installation guy I would then want to know that there is a baseline perfect install which is the same as for Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7.

Note that the drivers are provided in the installer and then via running all rounds of Important and Optional Updates, after enabling Automatically deliver drivers via Windows Update (Step 3).

Only then would I import any drivers still missing in Device Manager from the Support Downloads webpage for the PC or device, not a driver program which is wrong as often as right and not needed with Win7 at all.

Windows Updates also sequences Net Frameworks throughout the various rounds of Updates so that if not run through to completion supporting Updates including Performance Updates may have been missed. Some of these queue under Optional - only Bing and Essentials can be hidden without concern.


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28 Sep 2013   #12
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

I posted before Username issues posted the installation video, so that might be a moot point now. According to Username, .Net 1.1 installed without having to back off the new versions. The link I provided shows you how to back off all .Net versions using and Aaron Stebner's .NET Framework cleanup tool.

This should be your last resort option.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rcdunbar View Post
Thanks Slartybart,
I'm studying the instructions in the link you provided; I will try them very soon and let you know the results.
I don't believe it will show up in CP -> Pgm & Feats. Possibly in the installed updates.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rcdunbar View Post
Question: I assume that .Net 1.1, when correctly installed, will show up in Programs and Features as a separate line item, unlike 2.0, 3.0 and 3.5, which are built into 4.0. Is this a correct assumption?
Just for kicks, I looked at my Windows .NET folders v1 and v1.1 only show up in the (x86) folder.
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-pgmfiles-x86-net.png Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-pgmfiles-net.png

I'm about 10 miles from Exton.


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29 Sep 2013   #13
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
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I don't believe it will show up in CP -> Pgm & Feats. Possibly in the installed updates.
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Glance at the video again :-)

Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-w7-.net-1.1.jpg


Those .NET folders don't have much in them until 1.1 is installed:
Before
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-before1.png

Before
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-before2.png


After
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-after1.png

After
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-after2.png


I installed .NET 1.1 and the SP1 update on a W7 pro 32bit VM and it worked fine. Maybe Process Monitor will show what is barfing during the OP's install/roll back.


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29 Sep 2013   #14
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Thanks, Username

Based on the evidence before us, let me restate, with egg on my face , that .NET 1.1, once installed, will show up in the Pgm & Feats list, of this I have no doubt.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
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I don't believe it will show up in CP -> Pgm & Feats. Possibly in the installed updates.
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Glance at the video again :-)

I installed .NET 1.1 and the SP1 update on a W7 pro 32bit VM and it worked fine. Maybe Process Monitor will show what is barfing during the OP's install/roll back.
OP states that .NET 4.5 is not installed (only up to 4.0). I'm wondering if 4.5 were installed would that 'correct' the issue? Secondly, is only the profile installed, not the full blown client?

What flavor is installed on your machine Username? Are you up to 4.5 and do you have the full client or just the profile?

I'm not certain that 1.1 is really required, but OP seems fairly competent. I'd take this approach.
Install 4.5 - test app
Install full client - test app

Still not working?
Try to install 1.1 again, and if it fails to install we're back to where we started .

Bill

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29 Sep 2013   #15
A Guy

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

It's interesting that although versions from 2 to 4 are detected on my system, only 4 shows in installed programs.





dot net 4 problem

A Guy
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29 Sep 2013   #16
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Hmmmmm, I began to look at this not from a .NET point of reference but from the Sterling Pro side. This link talks about an install issue, but it's worth checking: http://www.sterlingtrader.com/docume...n_DDE_LDNI.pdf
The solution to this problem is to manually add the /DDE switch to the Target Line of the shortcut’s Properties Sheet. That will enable the /DDE switch, thereby activating the "DDE Server" option reached by clicking on Actions ą DDE Server from the Main Menu bar of Sterling Trader™ Pro or Sterling Trader™ Manager.
addendum: http://www.sterlingtrader.com/Suppor...tallation.html
9. Select .net framework no earlier than version 1.1 and no later than 3.5 SP1. These versions support the Sterling Trader Active X function. (If you have new versions, you do NOT need to uninstall them, you only need to make sure you also have a version between 1.1 and 3.5 SP1)
...
22. Start Sterling and Excel
23. Go to Add-Ins tab and select Sterling Trader Pro
24. Begin to set custom Excel monitor
25. In Sterling go to actions on the main toolbar under Windows>Utilities and check off DDE (DDE only)

From the Excel trust center
ActiveX Settings: Sent to Enable
Macro Settings: Enable all macros
External Content: Enable for both settings
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29 Sep 2013   #17
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
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What flavor is installed on your machine Username? Are you up to 4.5 and do you have the full client or just the profile?
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I started with whatever Windows Update offered.

Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-w7-.net-1.1-2.jpg

Using Raymond's tool:
4 Ways to Check What Version of Microsoft .NET Framework is Installed on your Computer

Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-net.png

After installing 1.1 and 1.1SP1
Installing .Net 1.1 in Windows 7 Pro fails-net2.png


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29 Sep 2013   #18
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

@Usernameissues: Ok, thanks - re: your sucessful install of 1.1; that answers the question of 4.0 vs. 4.5 and Full package vs. Client profile.

I do recall having issues similar to OP with .NET on a Vista machine, way back when, but that was Vista. I forget which version of .NET was tied to the OS, but I eventually used the .NET removal tool and started over. I also forget which version of .NET 'removes' version 1.0 (and 1.1??).

Whle looking around on Aaron's blog, I found this: .NET troubleshooting guide
which took me to this: .NET installation error caused by DEP
and another read took me here: .NET Framework repair tool

The DEP issue seems as though it reflects OP issue:
The DEP feature was introduced after the .NET Framework 1.0 and 1.1 shipped and unfortunately the .NET Framework is not compatible with DEP without applying a service pack. Like the language settings bug, this DEP compatibility bug has been fixed in the .NET Framework 1.0 SP3 and 1.1 SP1. However, this bug causes the initial installation of the .NET Framework to fail and rollback, and you cannot install the service pack without first getting the product installed (unless you use a method like I describe here, which will work but is not "officially" supported).
Don't worry about references to XP and Vista in the article - the information applies to .NET 1.0 & 1.1 regardless of OS.

If the above suggestions don't help then the only other thing I can suggest is what I alluded to in post #7 - clean up and reinstall .NET

Download the versions from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/net/download/earlier-versions
http://www.microsoft.com/net/download/version-4

Uninstall Sterling Pro (backup config and data first).
Then starting with .NET 1.0SP3 (if this version fails, just move to 1.1) and work up from there with reboots between.

Then install Sterling Pro. It's a bit of work, but I can't think of anything else.
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29 Sep 2013   #19
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I don't see in the thread what version of Sterling Trader Pro the OP has and where it was downloaded from.
From what I have found it is a pricey program paid per month for use. It also has demo's that can be downloaded.
This brings me to this.
Why would such a costly program use for trading activities use a very old
Net Framework 1.1.
Trading Platforms, Global Network, and Regulation Services: Sterling Trader

I did find this from here
Quote:
Exit Sterling
Start Excel
Go to Excel Options
Go to Trust center > Trust center settings
Set trust center settings (see below)
Close Excel
Go to MSDN
Select downloads tab
Select .net framework no earlier than version 1.1 and no later than 3.5 SP1. These versions support the Sterling Trader Active X function. (If you have new versions, you do NOT need to uninstall them, you only need to make sure you also have a version between 1.1 and 3.5 SP1)
From the Start menu go to control panel
In classic view select User Accounts
Choose Change Your Account Type
Make the account an Administrator
Go back
Choose Change User Account Control settings
Turn off UAC or turn it all the way down
Go to Trading Platforms, Professional Trading: Sterling Trader and download Sterling Trader Pro from download tab.
Select Run on popup
Select Modify, Next
Check the box name DDE or RTD (not both), Next
It will install
Start Sterling and Excel
Go to Add-Ins tab and select Sterling Trader Pro
Begin to set custom Excel monitor
In Sterling go to actions on the main toolbar under Windows>Utilities and check off DDE (DDE only)

From the Excel trust center
ActiveX Settings: Sent to Enable
Macro Settings: Enable all macros
External Content: Enable for both settings
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29 Sep 2013   #20
rcdunbar

Windows 7 Pro 32-bit
 
 

Thanks Layback Bear,

I use Sterling Trader in a developer mode that does not cost us anything, and I have the instructions you cite. It's the DDE connection to Excel that needs .Net 1.1. Apparently so few users use the DDE/Excel capability these days that Sterling has not put in the effort to update their application. Since the product/service is free for development, it's not for me to take them to task about it.

As I've noted before in this thread, the Excel application worked well, with DDE, on my PC before I found it necessary to do a clean reinstall of Win 7 Pro. .Net 1.1 was clearly visible before. So IMHO Sterling Trader, whatever its pros and cons, is not the issue. The issue is why I can't get 1.1 to install and be recognized on my "clean" PC. If I can't get it to work, I will look into using RTD instead of DDE.

Before I try Aaron Stebner's cleanup tool, which looks risky, I will try Process Monitor and other approaches that others in this thread have kindly suggested.
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