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Windows 7: Mounting with Aomei backupper

03 Mar 2014   #11
DavidE

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I can't do that.
I'm a senior citizen and most of the people I help are 60+ years old, non-tech, ...
They like to use a computer to read email, play games, read news, find recipes, whatever ...
I can't tell these friends and family "You shouldn't use a PC if you don't understand backup".

If anyone gets enjoyment using a PC, I think they should use a PC.
I learned the lesson a long time ago to use backups by shooting myself in the foot.
i.e. I wonder what will happen if I do this ??? - OOPS
No toes left, but I can restore

I just can't expect the mass market non-tech users to learn to use backup/restore or not use a PC.
If that did happen, would SF be needed?


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03 Mar 2014   #12
whs
Microsoft MVP

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I just can't expect the mass market non-tech users to learn to use backup/restore or not use a PC.
If that did happen, would SF be needed?
I don't know. I think if you use a computer you should have some minimum skills. I don't feel like a senior citizen but I am 76 and I started with PCs when I was 69 with one of the first Vista systems. That was not easy but I think I made it. So why can't everybody else learn a bit.
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03 Mar 2014   #13
DavidE

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You and the other SF experts are brilliant with this.

I remember when I first really became aware of PCs back in the 70's, and was intrigued.
I knew nothing (no minimum skills).
I decided to jump in and buy, build, learn ...
I don't regret that, but I might have decided not to, because I didn't have "minimum skills" ...
I was in my 20s then ...

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So why can't everybody else learn a bit.
Some people may not have the ability/desire/understanding/patience for learning this ...
Should these folks be told to not use a PC, or should we help them as best we can when they have problems ?
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03 Mar 2014   #14
whs
Microsoft MVP

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Sure we will help them - although sometimes it is pretty useless. They'll make the same mistakes tomorrow again because they can't even listen.

I have refused to help people in the past after I bailed them out 2 or 3 times and they made exactly the same mistakes again. I told them, if you don't listen, you are on your own.
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09 Mar 2014   #15
DavidE

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I've been playing with the free version on my Test box.
It seems I can't backup/restore the MBR using the "Partition Backup" option.
I would need to use the "Disk Backup" option to be able to restore the MBR. !?
Is that true, am I seeing this right?
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14 Mar 2014   #16
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I have never checked to see if writes standard standard mbr code during partition restore - no need to really. It will write the necessary to the partition table of course.
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14 Mar 2014   #17
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Couple of things here to create winpe for you:

Unzip it, and rt click and run as admin on the .cmd file.

for 64 bit https://www.dropbox.com/s/802hgbocdafdhd2/RE64v7.zip

for 32 bit https://www.dropbox.com/s/ubak5ssng7ozipb/RE86v7.zip
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14 Mar 2014   #18
DavidE

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I have never checked to see if writes standard standard mbr code during partition restore - no need to really. It will write the necessary to the partition table of course.
I moved my Test Box to a different hard drive.
With Aomei it wouldn't boot up.
I then restored with Acronis and had no problems.
I think Aomei didn't backup/restore the MBR...
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16 Mar 2014   #19
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I doubt it. Once you have initialised the disk to mbr, the mbr code is there. It stays there. There is no need to rewrite it. It is at the beginning of the disk, before the partitions start, well protected. It is not impossible for it to get damaged, but it is very rare.

Some imaging and partitioning will automatically rewrite it with standard code ( same as nt6 code without the tpm checking bit, which is not required to boot windows). They do that because although it is incredibly unlikely to be damaged, it is so tiny, takes a fraction of a millisecond to do, so they might as well. That is obviously a nuisance if you have deliberately set non standard code, e.g. if you have grub2 installed.

It is much more likely you restored the windows partition, but not the system partition - you won't boot up if you did that. Aomei has a function called System backup. That will image the system and boot partitions, ensuring that when restored, they will both be there. If you choose partition backup instead, then the user has to make sure they have backed all the partition windows needs.

Another possibility is the bcd entry wasn't reset correctly, all imaging programs will do that, but rarely something goes wrong.

I have used Aomei to restore images to different hard drives without any issues.
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18 Mar 2014   #20
DavidE

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
 
 

Thanks for the info!
I used Partition backup and that seems to be the problem.
My mistake, not understanding Aoemi Partition backup compared to Acronis Partition backup
My test box is a triple boot with the 3 OSs on a single HD (no System Reserved partition).
With Acronis I can backup/restore any single (OS) partition with no problems.
With Aoemi a System backup includes multiple partitions.
I don't want multiple partitions in a backup image for space (and time) reasons.
I also don't want to have to restore multiple OSs if I just want to back out something I'm testing on a single OS.
For ME, Acronis is better on my test box.
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