| Windows 7: Does more programs slow a pc down? |
30 Jan 2010
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Does more programs slow a pc down? So I bought this new pc last year. Before I had a Dell 8400 P4 3.2ghz processor, 2gb ram. I thought I would treat myself to a new multi core pc and bought an i7 pc with 6gb of ram. All was going well until the other half decides that my pc is so fast she would like to install some of the software that she uses. So then came Microsoft Office Enterprise 2007 and the Adobe CS4 Master Suite. Now admittedly the idea would have been to only install the programs off of the suites that i actually need. But I got the "I will use that program" in my ear so the whole lot went on.
We both have different interests and just recently installed itunes on the pc for my ipod and I do a little video conversion from time to time and was thinking of popping some converter software onto the pc for video conversion for this along with all the other software i have for example, Acronis True Image 2010, ConvertXtoDVD, Revo Uninstaller. So there is quite a lot on there.
I know a few years ago the more I put on a pc the more it would slow it down. Is this still the case with new pcs? If i am not using a program all the time will it not just sit there not doing anything? I would really like to add to some bits and bobs to what I have so if someone who knows about this can explain it to me I would be grateful. Thanks. | My System Specs |
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30 Jan 2010
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 Doncaster, UK |
Hi pageyboy,
Simply having more programs installed will not slow a computer down. What does slow a system down is if you have a large number of programs running concurrently, particularly if one or more is/are processor-intensive. Of course, as programs are used, data is read, written, and erased all the time. It is this data manipulation that causes much of the slowdown as it leads to disk fragmentation.
My recommendation is that you set aside an hour or two on a weekly basis and perform regular maintenance. This involves clearing cookies, deleting IE history, performing a disk cleanup. When you have done that, manually run a defrag. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dwarf Dwf/11/2012 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Core-i5-3570K 4-core @ 3.4GHz (Ivy Bridge) (OC 4.2GHz) Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M Memory 4 x 4GB DDR3-1600 Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (16GB) Graphics Card 2 x AMD Radeon HD7770 1GB CrossFired (OC 1100MHz/1250MHz) Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 898) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 3000 (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business (USB) PSU XFX Pro Series 850W Semi-Modular Case Gigabyte IF233 Cooling 1 x 120mm Front Inlet 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB SATA III x2 (RAID 0)
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30 Jan 2010
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#3 | | Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Build 7600 Liverpool, UK |
Hi pageyboy.
Programs on your computer are nothing more than bits of data, 1s and 0s. When they are sitting on your computer they do not affect how fast you browse the web, or play a game, or watch a movie, or how fast your computer starts up.
You can think of your hard drive as a filing cabinet just storing your programs and files for use at a later time. When you need to use a program or pull up a file your computer knows the precise location of the program/file and retrieves the file or loads the programe extremely quickly.
Simply adding more programs to the hard drive doesn’t make your computer run slower.
Obviously should you run many programs at once this could have an effect on the response time and overall speed at which your PC runs, depending on the amount of Ram dedicated to each specific program as well as the CPU utilization of such program.
There are obviously a finite amount of programs that can be run at any one time without you experiencing a "slow down" however, I doubt that most if any users would, with a decent PC, have enough programs open to seriously affect the PC's operation.
Hope this helps.
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Last edited by V3xar; 30 Jan 2010 at 06:03 AM..
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30 Jan 2010
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Thank you both for the responses. I understand where you were coming from and it made a lot of sense. At the very most I could be running 2-3 programs at once (listening to windows media player, converting a file to dvd, burning a disk) but mostly 2. I don't experience any slow down on this new pc at all. With your answers that just confirms this. Especially with all the software i have on the pc now. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i7 CORE 2 QUAD 920 (2.66GHZ, 8MB L2 CACHE, 1066MHZ FSB) Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R MOTHERBOARD Memory 3 x CORSAIR 2GB PC12800 DDR3 1600MHZ RAM Graphics Card XFX NVIDIA GTS 250 512MB PCI-E GRAPHICS CARD Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro 7.1 Soundcard - PCI-Express Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SM2343BW 23" Screen Resolution 2048x1152 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Laser Keyboard 5000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000 PSU NorthQ 850W Dual Rail PSU Case Coolermaster Elite 330 Cooling Noctua CPU Heatsink and Cooler Hard Drives 2 x 500GB S-ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive |
01 Feb 2010
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Here are the possible reasons that could slow your computer:
1. Processor overheating --
Modern processors generate a lot of heat. That's why all processors require some sort of cooling element, typically a fan of some type. When the processor temperature goes over spec, the system can slow down or run erratically. The processor fan may fail for several reasons:
* Dust is preventing the fan from spinning smoothly.
* The fan motor has failed.
* The fan bearings are loose and "jiggling".
2. Failing hard disk --
There are many signs of imminent failure before a hard disk finally gives up. Some of these signs include:
* Slow access times on the affected drive.
* An increasing number of bad sectors when running scandisk and chkdsk.
* Unexplained Blue Screens.
* Intermittent boot failures.
3. Your computers are full of
web sites junk, old files, unwanted program and useless registry keys and so on.
4. Bad RAM --
Several situations can lead to a bad RAM relationship with a particular machine:
* RAM timing is slower than optimal machine spec.
* RAM has minor flaws that only appear on detailed testing.
* RAM is overheating. | My System Specs | | |
01 Feb 2010
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#6 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Norfolk, VA |
If you fill up the hard drive with programs and end up with very little free drive space, then the machine will start to slow down. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HAL-9000 OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit CPU Intel i7 3770K Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 Memory 16GB DDR3 1333 Corsair XMS3 Graphics Card XFX HD6950 2GB EyeFinity Sound Card Logitech G35 & Sennheiser PC135 & VIA HD Monitor(s) Displays 23" HP 2310e, 23" Samsung B2230, 21.5" Viewsonic Screen Resolution 5760x1080 Keyboard Logitech G15 and G13 Mouse Logitech G700 Gaming Mouse PSU Antec True Power New 650watt Case Cooler Master HAF-932 Cooling Corsair H60 Hydro Cooler, 3x 230mm Fans, 2x120mm Fan Hard Drives 16TB of Storage
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01 Feb 2010
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#7 | | Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) N. Calif |
As others have said just installing programs on your computer won't affect it's performance. However, many times the programs install "helper" apps that start when you boot Windows and run all the time. These apps are supposed to make the parent app startup quicker, or be on the alert for updates. In most cases you can configure things so that the "helper" apps don't run at startup so they won't be consuming resources unnecessarily. You can also prevent these "helper" apps from running by going to Start->Run then type in "msconfig" (no quotes). Msconfig allows you to manage what programs are run at startup. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Home Built, Dell Inspiron 1520 Laptop OS Win 7 Ultimate (64-bit), Win 7 Pro (32-bit) CPU 3.4Ghz 3770K i7, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo Motherboard Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H, Dell Memory 8G, 3G Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 5770, Mobile Intel 965 Sound Card High Definition Audio (Built-in to mobo) Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409W 24" Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard IBM Model M - used continuously since 1986 Mouse Microsoft PSU Antec Case Antec 100 Cooling CM 212+ Hard Drives 128G SSD OS; 1.5T & 2T Data on Desktop, 320G for laptop Internet Speed 1.5M down 1.2M up :-( Other Info Also have an Acer Aspire netbook, a home-built AMD Dual core (Minecraft server) and home-built Pent 4 all running Win 7. Also have various machines running XP, Win Server 2K, Win Server 2003, Linux and DOS. I think I have a problem... |
02 Feb 2010
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Thanks for the responses. I do some general housekeeping on a week to week basis that Dwarf is speaking about anyway. As far as what strollin is talking about I have a look in msconfig from time to time just to see what programs I have installed have decided to put there processes there and I disable them. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU i7 CORE 2 QUAD 920 (2.66GHZ, 8MB L2 CACHE, 1066MHZ FSB) Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R MOTHERBOARD Memory 3 x CORSAIR 2GB PC12800 DDR3 1600MHZ RAM Graphics Card XFX NVIDIA GTS 250 512MB PCI-E GRAPHICS CARD Sound Card X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro 7.1 Soundcard - PCI-Express Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SM2343BW 23" Screen Resolution 2048x1152 Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Laser Keyboard 5000 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000 PSU NorthQ 850W Dual Rail PSU Case Coolermaster Elite 330 Cooling Noctua CPU Heatsink and Cooler Hard Drives 2 x 500GB S-ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive |
02 Feb 2010
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#9 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |

Quote: Originally Posted by Zepher If you fill up the hard drive with programs and end up with very little free drive space, then the machine will start to slow down. Hi there
Even this isn't always true so long as the Paging file(s) is / are OK and programs that need disk "Work and Swap" space such as Photoshop have enough.
Data retrieval *might* suffer but a lot of this is already in the paging areas by "Pre-Fetch" algorithms.
However it isn't good practice to have a disk nearly full -- even from the point of view of failure -- then you've lost a lot of data.
HDD's are CHEAP these days -- a decent 1.5TB can cost as little as 70 GBB / EUR.
Cheers
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02 Feb 2010
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The other hit that computers take from installing software is that with quite a number of free utilities out there, they also come bundled with other things that you might not be aware of. Some things seem simple, like browser tools bars and such. However, as more and more of these small little extra things get loaded, they launch automatically and integrate themselves with other applications so now each time you launch something like IE..you not only get IE..but all of it's associated tool bars and such.
I pay very close attention to the installs that I perform on my machine. I often do them custom and turn off anything extra that I don't need. Some free apps, don't give you a choice to NOT INSTALL the additional component...but they do put an entry in the Add/Remove programs list where you can remove the component. I believe this happens with Fox It Reader for PDF's...which installs a toolbar...which I then promptly uninstall.
Another reason to that computers slow down can be from improper or incomplete installs. And I believe that often times utilities and such which are designed to improve the performance of your machine can be the result of some of these broken items. Then, your computer might try to access something and it may try searching for 20 seconds before it quits and just gives up. These things cost you in time and performance. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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