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Windows 7: Bloatware


28 Apr 2010   #1
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 
Bloatware

Many people voice complaints about the so called „Bloatware“ that is being put on preinstalled systems. I have a more positive attitude towards some of those programs and like to invite you for a discussion.

A) The 3 months trials for security programs such as Norton or McAfee are very useful for the majority of the users. Many first time PC buyers would probably not install a security program until they had their first “incident”. The 3 month trial gives them at least an initial protection until they have learned the basics and acquired an appreciation for the need for a security program.

B) The trials for Office and alike is very useful for experimenting with these programs. Who likes to dish out $149 before they had a chance to see whether these are programs that fit their needs.


C) Older programs like Works, etc. are always the first that I delete. But I know several people that make good use of them for their daily office needs.

D) OEM system management tool such as HP Updater or diverse system management tools from the OEM will usually not survive very long on my systems. But again, I know people that make good use of them.

E) Program for basic functions like Adobe PDF reader or Roxio are very useful to execute the functions they provide. I replace Adobe with Foxit, but a program like Roxio I keep because it does everything I need for basic CD burning.

F) Games – I delete those asap because I do not use them. But many people like those games and use them.

I am sure you will come up with more categories. These are only a few examples to show that the so called bloatware may be useful for many people. There is certainly a commercial interest on the part of the OEM and Microsoft. But there is also an interest by the consumer. After all, not everybody is a Geek and knows what to do with their new PC at the first hours. The bloatware helps to sort out some areas.


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28 Apr 2010   #2

Windows 7 64x
 
 

Right on! I can understand where you are coming from. I hate she reinstalled stuff but I can see where it could help some out.

I have purchased only 2 computers which are laptops that have had bloatware on them. I immediately installed a fresh copy of Windows on them both.
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28 Apr 2010   #3

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I can't really say I've had any problems with bloatware, because I've been building my own systems and installing only what I need since my first 386 computer, and I follow that same rule when building for customers.

However, when I provide a laptop, I usually leave it "as-is", and allow the customer to decide which software is necessary or not, with one exception: Anti-virus. I adjust the cost of my laptops to include anti-virus software, usually Kaspersky, but sometimes also Norton.

I started doing this because I noticed that if I didn't, then the "3-month trial" ended up giving most customers a false sense of security. Normally because the software has expired and the customer was unaware of this fact. So during the initial setup phase, I'd remove whatever time limited anti-virus software is pre-installed, and replace it with something else.

In some very rare intances where a laptop is provided with seperate OS, Drivers and Applications disks, I'd reload the entire OS and install only what is absolutely necessary, but then also only if the customer wants this to be done.
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29 Apr 2010   #4

Windows 7 x64 pro/ Windows 7 x86 Pro/ XP SP3 x86
 
 

Bloatware is a revenue stream for the OEMs and the companies that write that software so its unlikely its going away very soon. Those of us with the skills to configure the way we want, OK, but what about those who dont?

I also find it deplorable that most major manufacturers dont provide clean, reinstall disks. Only Dell and i think Gateway (before Acer acquired it) did. When one has paid for the OS, why is one not entitled to the disk? Nowadays, one just gets the bloatware filled recovery dvds. I once spent several days researching how to do an OS+drivers only install from recovery dvds. The trick apparently is to force a reboot the moment the crap starts to install but the process was so iffy, i gave up after a while. The ostensible reason for not giving out disks is that it helps tech support when they know what they are dealing with. But i think its that same old MS trying to harass pirates and ending up harassing legit users.

BTW, reinstalling from a generic disk (downloaded off the web, where else?) and installing drivers and apps really makes the machine run much smoother, IMO. But same problem, what about the average Joe?
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29 Apr 2010   #5
Microsoft MVP

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Found this a while ago and looks like it could fall under D,




nothing like overloading it with a bunch of junk that is already built-in to Windows. Any recent VAIO owners, does it still come like that?
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29 Apr 2010   #6

Windows XP - Now Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit).
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 View Post
Found this a while ago and looks like it could fall under D,




nothing like overloading it with a bunch of junk that is already built-in to Windows. Any recent VAIO owners, does it still come like that?
:rofl:
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29 Apr 2010   #7
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Yes very hard to know, choose which one had to be deleted...

-I decided not to keep the Office Home & Student 2007 trial, as MS Works 9.0 is already install and Open Office set pretty good next to it.

-Some Bloatwaresare installed for the purpose of computer's management and better not be uninstalled...or buy a pc desktop instead of a laptop!

-"Media Suite" are always good as you can upgrade for a cheap price as they're are pre-installed.

-Some other Bloatwares/Games can be easily removed and you could always restore them in case with the restore tool from the manufacturer (a bloatware exemple not to remove)

-Always do your restore CDs if not provided in the package, you'll save time & money!
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29 Apr 2010   #8
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
-I decided not to keep the Office Home & Student 2007 trial
For me it was convenient to find it on the system. I bought my legit copy in 2007 (key for 3 systems) and on the 2 systems I bought after that, I just activated the trial version with my key. No need to reinstall it.
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29 Apr 2010   #9
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64 [Non-UEFI Boot]
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote:
-I decided not to keep the Office Home & Student 2007 trial
For me it was convenient to find it on the system. I bought my legit copy in 2007 (key for 3 systems) and on the 2 systems I bought after that, I just activated the trial version with my key. No need to reinstall it.
Only one computer was, so it was quite off for me...between 109 euros to 139 euros to buy.
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29 Apr 2010   #10

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 

I promptly uninstalled all of the bloatware on my wife's netbook except for Acer management programs and MS Office trial. I added a free anti-virus. I also added a firewall since we use her netbook in public places.
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