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Windows 7: DPC Latency spikes

17 Oct 2011   #1
JoeW

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
DPC Latency spikes

Hi

I have been having problems on my PC with pops and clicks in audio on the following setup

Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Proc: Intel E8400
Ram: 16GB OCZ Gold Ram
GPU: NVidia 9600GT
HD: Corsair Force 3 120GB
Sound: Focusrite Saffire Pro 40

I have stripped back the motherboard to bare minimum, change W7 settings to performance and the DPC latency results for the E8400 are shown as the left pic. For testing I replaced the CPU with a celeron and the celeron results are also shown as the right pic.

I have also tried different RAM with the same results, disabling processor control in BIOS and disabling LAN, Firewire and USB. In addition I have tried the mobo without the GPU and testing via RDP.

Can anyone shed any light on what this might be? Do I have a faulty mobo?

Thanks




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17 Oct 2011   #2
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JoeW View Post
Hi

I have been having problems on my PC with pops and clicks in audio on the following setup

Mobo: Gigabyte EP45-UD3P
Proc: Intel E8400
Ram: 16GB OCZ Gold Ram
GPU: NVidia 9600GT
HD: Corsair Force 3 120GB
Sound: Focusrite Saffire Pro 40

I have stripped back the motherboard to bare minimum, change W7 settings to performance and the DPC latency results for the E8400 are shown as the left pic. For testing I replaced the CPU with a celeron and the celeron results are also shown as the right pic.

I have also tried different RAM with the same results, disabling processor control in BIOS and disabling LAN, Firewire and USB. In addition I have tried the mobo without the GPU and testing via RDP.

Can anyone shed any light on what this might be? Do I have a faulty mobo?

Thanks
More information about audio and latency (and another app to test) here. Resplendence Software - LatencyMon: DPC, ISR and pagefault execution monitor
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17 Oct 2011   #3
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

That Resplendence Latency Monitor mis identified a device in my system. It first said everything was OK for audio (which it is) and then later said I should disable the wireless (wi fi) interface and I don't have wireless on my DAW desktop. I can't put much faith in software that mis identifies devices.

I use this PC for Recording with Sonar (X1) and a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 firewire recording interface unit. I have an Intel motherboard rather than the gigabyte. I built this PC about 3 years ago and it's worked flawlessly for recording.

I would think the original poster's problems could be the motherboard. I've seen other posts about some gigabyte motherboards, but don't remember the models.
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17 Oct 2011   #4
JoeW

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fireberd View Post

I would think the original poster's problems could be the motherboard. I've seen other posts about some gigabyte motherboards, but don't remember the models.
I'm beginning to think along the same lines, I've uninstalled Intel Matrix software which I don't need and was high on the latency mon list. Should I be looking at Highest Execution or TOtal Execution for the problem driver?

Also which Intel mobo are you using? I have my eye on another ep45 board on eBay but if its an inherent fault I'll steer clear. I did a DPC test on my MSI G45M mobo and its flawless. Trouble is that mobo is being used for my media server.

I bought the UD3P because it was recommended for audio and it has a TI firewire chipset.
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17 Oct 2011   #5
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

I have an older MB, the DP35DP and it has the T.I. firewire chipset. I'm using a Q6600 CPU.
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17 Oct 2011   #6
Resplendence

Win7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fireberd View Post
That Resplendence Latency Monitor mis identified a device in my system. It first said everything was OK for audio (which it is) and then later said I should disable the wireless (wi fi) interface and I don't have wireless on my DAW desktop. I can't put much faith in software that mis identifies devices.
Thanks for the feedback. Still your problem is related to a network device, were you pulling the plug by any chance ? In a next release we will make that "At least one detected problem appears to be network related. In case you are using a wireless adapter, try disabling it to get better results."


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JoeW View Post
Should I be looking at Highest Execution or TOtal Execution for the problem driver?
You should look at "highest execution time" first.

//Daniel
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17 Oct 2011   #7
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

I just ran it to see what it does. I don't personally have any problems, either dropouts, static, or whatever, although the program told me I did.

I have a wired Intel NIC (Intel motherboard).

I record using Sonar X1c Professional and a Saffire Pro 40 firewire connected recording interface unit.

My regular PC audio is a PCI HT Omega Striker 7.1 sound card that has worked flawlessly for regular PC audio.
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17 Oct 2011   #8
Resplendence

Win7 x64
 
 

The problems will arise as soon as you will start live playing or recording. For instance if you try to reduce the time you have to wait after a key press on your MIDI keyboard until you hear a sound when using a software synthesizer. This is done by limiting the buffer sizes of your audio driver. In the end it depends on what midi to audio latency you consider acceptable, I can personally live with up to 10ms. If you are used to playing a pipe organ that is probably more. If you start hearing clicks, pops or cracks you know where you can look to solve the problem.
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17 Oct 2011   #9
JoeW

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Resplendence View Post
The problems will arise as soon as you will start live playing or recording. For instance if you try to reduce the time you have to wait after a key press on your MIDI keyboard until you hear a sound when using a software synthesizer. This is done by limiting the buffer sizes of your audio driver. In the end it depends on what midi to audio latency you consider acceptable, I can personally live with up to 10ms. If you are used to playing a pipe organ that is probably more. If you start hearing clicks, pops or cracks you know where you can look to solve the problem.
This is part of the reason I am trying to sort this. I use my pro40 to record up to 4 instruments which are played by a midi interface (midisport 8). Audio latency is a spontaneity killer and I am also seeking the illusive sub 10ms latency. That given I get pops and clicks from 64 all the way up to 512 sample buffers.

I know my equipment is capable of 64 sample buffer as I have acheived this using Hackintosh on the same hardware through Core Audio.

Using Latency Mon I think I might have found the culprits:

Wdf01000.sys and USBPORT.sys both at 5-6ms.

I am using a microsoft wireless desktop set which I imagine is probably using Logitech drivers.

Just ordering a wired keyboard and mouse now to see if that sorts it.
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21 Oct 2011   #10
JoeW

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Wdf01000.sys and USBPORT.sys are difinitely the culprits.

Is there any way I can analyse the root cause of this any deeper? I understand both these drivers apply to a a number of bits of hardware.
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