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Windows 7: Windows 7 5.1 surround problems (realtek)

18 Jan 2009   #11

Win 7 Ultimate 64 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bellerophon View Post
Hi Neil, you weren't using it with the highlighted option below were you?
No , its a common problem just google it and see what i mean. It goes back as far as 2007 its related to VISTA & Windows 7. Not a problem with windows XP.

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"Speaker Fill" checkbox, which is worse than the plague, effectively doing nothing but "simulating" surround - the rear speakers have a lot of frequency domains missing (they're mostly just treble and some faint presence) and they often feel delayed as well


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(which is especially true about Realtek's Speaker Fill option when compared to Creative's CMSS which does the same thing 5 times better).
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When I enable speaker fill, the rear speakers output sound at a pretty low level, but when you get up close to check them, it is clearly putting out distorted audio. The only way I can describe it is that the rear's sound like you are listening to low-bitrate audio from an Internet station, and seems to be concentrated at the high end of the freqency spectrum. I don't understand why it worked fine in XP x64, and it works ok in Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy as well. I don't even need to do anything special in Linux, I just adjust the individual channel levels to balance out the sound.. SO I'm not sure why it doesn't work that way on Windows; even still I am about to reinstall XP x64 today to verify it still works properly there.
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What solutions do you have when running Vista x64? I can't stand the fact that my brand new speakers sound distorted from the two rear ones.
See what i mean


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29 Jan 2009   #12

Windows 7 Beta 64 Bit
 
 

UPDATE 4: Foxconn replied again and suggested I try reassigning the ports and moving the wires to the new ports. Doing so made no difference. When the orange center/subwoofer wire was plugged into the newly assigned center/subwoofer port, I still get the center channel playing through the physical center and the subwoofer channel playing though the front two speakers and not the subwoofer as it should. This makes me think it is a driver issue and not a hardware issue.

Here is my tests and their results:

Test 1:

Ports assigned as default in book:

Green=Fronts but orange center/sub wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical center speaker
Clicking the R front speaker outputs through both the fronts and not the physical subwoofer as it should

Orange=Center/Subwoofer but green fronts wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the center speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L front speaker
Clicking the subwoofer in the control panel outputs through the physical R front speaker

Black=Rears and black rears wire left plugged into this port:
Clicking the L rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L rear speaker
Clicking the R rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R rear speaker

Ports reassigned as follows:

Green=Center/Subwoofer and orange center/sub wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the center speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical center speaker
Clicking the subwoofer outputs through both the fronts and not the physical subwoofer as it should

Orange=Fronts and green fronts wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L front speaker
Clicking the R front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R front speaker

Black=Rears and black rears wire left plugged into this port:
Clicking the L rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L rear speaker
Clicking the R rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R rear speaker


Test 2:

Ports assigned as default in book:

Green=Fronts and green fronts wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L front speaker
Clicking the R front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R front speaker

Orange=Center/Subwoofer but black rears wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the center speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L rear speaker
Clicking the subwoofer in the control panel outputs through the physical R rear speaker

Black=Rears but orange center/sub wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical center speaker
Clicking the R rear speaker outputs through both the fronts and not the physical subwoofer as it should

Ports reassigned as follows:

Green=Fronts and green fronts wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L front speaker
Clicking the R front speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R front speaker

Orange=Rears and black rears wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the L rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical L rear speaker
Clicking the R rear speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical R rear speaker

Black= Center/Subwoofer and orange center/sub wire plugged into this port:
Clicking the center speaker in the control panel outputs through the physical center speaker
Clicking the subwoofer outputs through both the fronts and not the physical subwoofer as it should

Summary:

Basically, no matter where I plug the orange center/subwoofer wire into and reassign that port to be the center/subwoofer port, the center channel works as it should and plays through the physical center speaker, but the subwoofer output goes to both front speakers instead of the subwoofer as it should.

If I leave the default port assignments as they are listed in the manual and simply change the wires, the problem moves to whatever control panel speaker pair is assigned to the physical center/subwoofer speakers and the L control panel speaker (front or rear) plays through the physical center speaker and the R control panel speaker(front or rear) plays through both of the physical speakers (front or rear) that the control panel pair is assigned and not the subwoofer as it should.

To me it seems as though the subwoofer channel output is assigned to the two front channels and not to a separate subwoofer channel by itself at the driver level.

UPDATE 3: Foxconn replied (pretty quickly I might add) and suggested that I disconnect the front audio header connection which I did but it did not help in either Windows 7 Beta or in Windows XP Pro. Here is my reply back:

Thanks for the fast reply. I removed the front audio header connection and verified the correct speaker connections. I have Front speakers to green, Rear speakers to black, and center/sub to orange. All my other speakers work correctly, including the center speaker. It is just the subwoofer output that is misdirected. It keeps going to the front speakers. If I select the swap center/sub option in the realtek control panel then the center channel goes to the front speakers and the subwoofer output gets directed to the center speaker. I also tried selecting just the enable bass management but I do not see any options to change anything once that is selected and the subwoofer output still goes to the front speakers. I am using the latest WinXP 32 bit drivers from the realtek site (R2.14 released 1/9/2009) driver version 5.10.0.5772 dated 1/6/2009.

(Oops, in update 3 above I mis-spoke and said the subwoofer output went to the rears...it still goes to the fronts, corrected above now.)


UPDATE 2: I emailed Foxconn and they were no help. They said that because the MB is not certified for Windows 7 beta that they suggested I try Windows XP or Vista (no surprise). So, I installed my old Windows XP Pro 32 bit (do not have a 64 bit version). The problem is still there under Windows XP. Seems to me that this is a defect in the Realtek drivers. I will be building another computer exactly like mine so I will be able to see if it happens on another Destroyer motherboard (I suspect it will). I re-emailed Foxconn to see if they would help now that I tried it under Windows XP and I also emailed Realtek.


UPDATE: I installed the drivers from the Realtek site (2.14) and now I have speaker configuration available but I get subwoofer output from my front speakers. I have the subwoofer/center channel speaker plugged into the orange connector on the motherboard and have the correct port mapping selected for the orange port. I tried selecting various things like bass management and swap center/subwoofer, etc. but nothing comes out of the subwoofer.


I am also having problems with realtek HD audio in Windows 7 beta. The Realtek HD control panel would not show any speaker configurations. Also, I get subwoofer sound through my front speakers. If I enable speaker fill and bass management I still get sound from the right front speaker. The speakers worked fine a couple of hours ago under Windows XP on my old motherboard with the Creative Audigy 2 ZS card. I have the Klipsch 5.1 ultras and the Foxconn Destroyer motherboard. I am using the updated drivers (R1.91) from Foxconn's site.
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29 Jan 2009   #13

Windows 7 Ultimate Vista Ultimate x64
 
 

The only decent Realtek driver I have found so far is 2.11, I tried 2.14 but found it was a bit buggy, this one I have now works great 0 issues.
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29 Jan 2009   #14

Windows 7 Beta 64 Bit
 
 

Just tried the R2.11 and have the same problem. I uninstalled the Realtek driver again to prepare to install the R2.14 and let Microsoft install there own driver. Same problem with the Microsoft driver. I hope this is not a hardware issue. Can't wait to build the other computer to see if this is a problem with the other Destroyer MB too.
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30 Jan 2009   #15

windows seven build 6801
 
 

hey guys it has been solved the realtek surround problem i downloaded the vista driver 32/64 bit r214 from the realtek site and i changed how the cables were plugged in and it worked properly the whole 5 speakers and the subwoofer surround in the test and games and everything i am not an excepert but 0 issues
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30 Jan 2009   #16

Windows 7 Beta 64 Bit
 
 

I am also using the latest Realtek drivers. I did not reassign the ports though...they should work as advertised I would think. I will try to reassign the sub/center output and see if that changes anything.

If that does fix my problem is that something that Foxconn can fix with a BIOS update?
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31 Jan 2009   #17

windows seven build 6801
 
 

well i dont claim to know much about if the update of the bios will have any effect on the surround problem that you have i didnt have to change the bios for it to work . and i tell u it works very good just try to re-assign the output and tell me if it worked with u or no thank you
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31 Jan 2009   #18

Windows 7 Beta 64 Bit
 
 

It made no difference to reassign the ports. See the update in my original post above.
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31 Jan 2009   #19

windows seven build 6801
 
 

i uploaded a picture of how the realtek drive looks like in my pc and how i connected the cables i hope it will help you after all my be it was pure luck in my case
btw my motherboard is gigabyte


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31 Jan 2009   #20

Windows 7 Beta 64 Bit
 
 

Setting up my speaker assignments as yours is shown did not help either. Still get the subwoofer output through the two front speakers and not the subwoofer. I think this problem may be unique to the Destroyer motherboard.
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