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Windows 7: Realtek onboard sound card with 5.1 surround speaker fill problem

24 Mar 2013   #21
FaberTech

Windows 7 x64 / Windows Server 2008 / Linux (Redhat & Deb distros) / OS X / More
 
 

I know this is an old thread, but I thought I should update that Realtek has new Pin numbers now for some reason. So if the old ones don't do anything for you, you should try these....

"Pin10" = Line-in (rear blue)
"Pin11" = Mic-in (rear pink)
"Pin14" = Front speakers (rear green)
"Pin15" = Rear speakers (rear black)
"Pin16" = Center / Sub-woofer (rear orange)
"Pin17" = Side speakers (rear gray)
"Pin19" = Front Mic-In (front pink)
"Pin1b" = Front Headphone (front green)

This came to my attention after a re-install i recently did.

Here is my source

How to remap / retasking Realtek onboard jacks / ports - Reaper-X


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24 Mar 2013   #22
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

That may be from going from 51. to 7.1 or 7.1 to 8 channels as to why the pin configuration was found to be different. If your old board saw 5.1 surround and the next new was 7.1 that would or might not be so noticable while some new model just out offering a little more in the onboard sound dept. such as seeing front and rear mic jacks over one single jack would explain the change seen.
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25 Mar 2013   #23
FaberTech

Windows 7 x64 / Windows Server 2008 / Linux (Redhat & Deb distros) / OS X / More
 
 

Night Hawk,

That may be the case. I did not upgrade my board or go from 5.1 to 7.1, but the driver is a newer version than the one before. Thanks for the input.
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25 Mar 2013   #24
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

With the volume of hardware changes seen in the last few years they likely have a more universal driver that works with a few different audio chips. The block diagram of course would simply being reflecting any change as far as the number of jacks as well as what they are used for.

You see the same with onboard video or for separate cards like one AMD/ATI Catalyst version will be good for what has been out of a period of time but some latest model series as well. While the specs on each card will be different including the VPU itself the same universal main Cat. driver will be put to work even if the new card for example now see HDMI and digital audio out while another older model doesn't.
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27 Apr 2013   #25
thewildman

Windows 7 Ultimate x32
 
 

Hi Night Hawk,

I am having a similar issue with my setup. The side and rear speakers sounds only seem to play mid tones (not bass and high - sounds like a voice removal filter). I think this is due to the Windows 7 "Speaker Fill" or "Virtual Surround" enhancement modifying the sounds since my driver test app (realtek) test on each individual speaker sounds fine. The problem occurs when I play stereo sounds (not 7.1) that this problem happens. I'll try your front speaker solution. I think windows just needs to duplicate the front channel to side and rear when playing a stereo source instead of it's funky virtualisation its doing.

Cheers,
Brendan
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28 Apr 2013   #26
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Hello thewildman Welcome to the Seven Forums!

With the Creative notice Creative sound launcher's speaker settings here that would be the 4/4.1 setting for seeing the front and back duplicate the two channels. Likewise the thing you would want would be the 4 speaker setting if available there to get past the surround sound.

It depends mainly on your speaker set however for which setting will work out the best. The four speaker setting wouldn't be what you would use for a 5.1 surround sound set of four(left and right front and rear) when having a center mix speaker but with a four speaker set or two pairs of stereo speakers plugged into the jacks on the board or case depending on how those are set up.

Another setting to accommodate that is the head phone setting where you still end up with two channels for both pairs. Even with the 5.1 surround set here having a front center I often leave the mixer set to head phones for head phone use and when not listening to audio tracks but a live feed which will often be in stereo.

One thing to look at closely like I was mentioning before was the jacks used since many will see the front, rear, and then a third center mix jack if 3 are dedicated to audio. Often the board's own software/driver cd will have a sound app like SoundMax you can use to adjust the speaker settings with not being left with only the Windows sound mixer.

If you should get stuck with something a little more involved for some reason you may want to start a new thread of your own however since this one is getting on in age a bit.
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12 May 2013   #27
thewildman

Windows 7 Ultimate x32
 
 

Thanks Night Hawk,

I ended up buying a cheap and nasty 7.1 sound card - same as this NEW Ritmo 7 1 PCI Sound Card Upgrade CCT871 | eBay but for 13AUD/USD delivered. I plugged the front independent amp+speakers into the front jack, and the side and rear into my 5.1 amp's front and back respectively (my 5.1 system only has front and rear plug, no center or sub jack but it still has these speakers which the signal must be emulated by the amp hardware). In windows I am able to use the software for the VIA Tremor 1723 chip to duplicate the front to side and rear channels when stereo sounds are played, but the 6 channels work independently for surround.

Thanks,
Brendan
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12 May 2013   #28
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

I guess that worked for you much better then simply relying on the onboard sound. Whatever works right?!

On the main system here I have always been staying with the separate expansion card trend while a second remote station simply uses the onboard there and speakers in monitor option not having much worry about stereo or surround but using the Team View program for remote projects. I can leave something running on the main and monitor the progress while at the remote pc as well as being able to try things out there without any changes on the main.

But that simply extends things with basic sound over to the remote pc there. For customizing sound then you often have to expand a bit to find out just will do the job for you. The only time the onboard would be used on the main would be in the event the card fails and that would be a temporary option until replaced.
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12 May 2013   #29
Rain08

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601)
 
 

Don't go to laurson1's post, it's a link, not a picture to a website, maybe a spam.
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12 May 2013   #30
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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