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Windows 7: ffdshow conflict with Windows Media Player 12

14 Dec 2012   #11
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by newawryzen View Post
For clarification purposes: I never had any problems playing mp3 files with WMP or WMC PRIOR to adding the Windows 7 Codec Pack. The Codec Pack was ONLY installed to correct a problem whereby I couldn't play WMV files from within Outlook. Yeah, you would figure that two MS products (Outlook and WMV) would play well together, but for some reason they weren't. Maybe I was missing a plug-in or something. Unfortunately, installing the Windows 7 Codec Pack, fixed one problem (WMV playback in Outlook) and induced another (WMP/WMC mp3 playback issues). Removing ffdshow fixed the WMP/WMC mp3 playback problem AND did not re-introduce the WMV/Outlook issue.
Again... my point is that when you do install FFDSHOW uniquely (if you'd done it separately where you then go through its installation/customization wizard and have the ability to control WHICH of its features you actually want to ENABLE and which you want to DISABLE) instead of as part of a "codec pack" over which you generally don't really have individual control, you could have turned off FFDSHOW involvement for MP3, etc. (as I did, per those screenshots I referenced which showed all of the FFDSHOW potential audio and video media types for which I did NOT want FFDSHOW to be used).

In fact, you can even do that AFTER IT'S INSTALLED... from the Start Menu, Start -> FFDSHOW -> audio decoder configuration or video decoder configuration. And now you can do after-the-fact what you could also have specified during installation, namely to DISABLE or ENABLE support for a particular file type.

Sure, uninstalling the whole of FFDSHOW certainly will disable it completely! But you could have addressed your particular issue (which was some kind of unwanted and harmful interference with MP3) by DISABLE'ing it for MP3 (using its audio decoder configuration), and seeing if that did make your MP3-specific problem disappear, before uninstalling the whole codec pack you'd installed, just to address an FFDSHOW-MP3 issue when you also needed something else in that codec pack apparently to address another issue with WMV and Outlook.

Don't want to belabor the point, as I think we both understand what I'm trying to say. I just really wanted to comment that (a) I have no problems with FFDSHOW, though I must have it installed for multiAVCHD, because I've disabled all of its support capability for media types already supported by MS Media Foundation, and (b) I will NEVER install a "codec pack" (and in particular a HUGE one which does not provide any lower-level install options or customization), although I did install specifically the Matroska Haali Splitter (because again it was required by multiAVCHD and AVISynth).

For Win98 and WinXP these codec packs might have been very useful. But for Win7? Not so much.


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14 Dec 2012   #12
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsperber View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
I would just like to point out that the only "trusted" and "up-to-date" source for ffdshow as dsperber kindly put it is ffdshow tryouts | Official Website.

Please don't take this the wrong way, dsperber, but I have many doubts about downloading codecs from third-party websites.
However...

The latest version from the "tryouts" site is 4422, from early April. In contrast the latest version from "free-codecs" (which is highly regarded) is 4496 (from yesterday 12/13).

Also, "free-codecs" offers both 32-bit and 64-bit versions (for 64-bit media players).

I appreciate your point, but I have developed a trust for "free-codecs". Never had any problem over the many years I've downloaded from them. And I actually have more "functional trust" in an up-to-date (yesterday!!) version of FFDSHOW than I do for an April one.
If you look closely, build 4422 is the latest stable release of ffdshow, while build 4496 is the latest SVN release of ffdshow. In layman terms these two releases can be compared to stable and beta versions respectively. Both 32-bit and 64-bit binaries are provided on their download page.

You seem to suggest that ffdshow tryouts | Official Website isn't ffdshow's official website, given how you referred to it as "'tryouts' site". I will correct you that ffdshow tryouts | Official Website is in fact their official website which is hosted on SourceForge; ffdshow tryouts is a fork and continuation of the original ffdshow project after the development on the original stagnated back in 2006.

I am not going to say Free-Codecs isn't reputable, but to not suggest the official website for ffdshow as the place to obtain "trusted" and "up-to-date" releases of their software is a great disservice to readers of this thread who come here looking for accurate and safe information.
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14 Dec 2012   #13
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by King Arthur View Post
You seem to suggest that ffdshow tryouts | Official Website isn't ffdshow's official website, given how you referred to it as "'tryouts' site".
Not at all. I definitely saw it was from SourceForge, and understand that's the "official website" for the product's ongoing development. I get binaries for LAME there, and the latest version seems to be available.

I guess never having had any problems with the "beta" versions (i.e. newer than the last "stable" version available from SourceForge) available from Free-Codecs, and long ago seeing that the "latest stable version" from SourceForge was always well older than what was available elsewhere I just did some exploring and discovered Free-Codecs (which also provides lots of other things from this one place, but not everything... e.g. no Shark Codecs, another package I have no interest in). There's also no ads, no unscrupulous download buttons that intentionally take you to undesired alternative sites, etc.

Anyway, you're absolutely correct. Downloads of anything from the web that you are going to install into your Windows system should be carefully pre-screened, as should the sites themselves. In the case of FFDSHOW (and LAME), there's no question SourceForge is "the source".
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14 Dec 2012   #14
King Arthur

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I too have used the latest SVN builds of ffdshow whenever I update as I've never had problems with them like you. The SVN builds of ffdshow seem particularly more stable in general than comparable SVN builds of many other software.

Anyway, I apologize for incorrectly "reading between the lines" of your post and I'm glad that we both agree that an official website is the safest place to obtain their respective software. As the more knowledgable ones of those who use computers, I feel that it's our duty to put out accurate and safe information whenever possible so Joe Average doesn't end up in a mess. :D
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16 Dec 2012   #15
Tim De Baets

Windows 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by newawryzen View Post
Or being able to use a boolean formula to select (for example) "Year 1971" AND "Genre Rock" to then play all. Now, if I select "Year 1971 and play, I get Christmas music, classical music, etc. from 1971. Not necessarily what I was looking for! LOL
This is possible in WMP by using an Auto Playlist, more information here.

BTW, WMP also has a Subgenre tag.
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