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Windows 7: Can you use the audio output and input jack at the same time?

14 Feb 2015   #1
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 
Can you use the audio output and input jack at the same time?

Hello everyone,

I want to know if you can run an audio output and input at the same time to record to my HDD with the built in Win7 SoundRecorder?

I have been trying to record (unsuccessfully) streaming Sirius internet radio using my JRivers MC v17, and while it will record, the resultant file will not play, either with MC or WMP. And the file size is always 4kb, no matter how long i record for.

So i found Audacity software which will let you do this:

Tutorial - Recording Computer Playback on Windows - Audacity Manual

(scroll down to the Loopback cable section)


But i want to know if you can do it with the installed SoundRecorder. Now I should say that i will be using the output from my Audioquest Dragonfly DAC, which is installed via a USB port, not the lime green output. I will unplug my powered Mackie monitors and hook up a small 3.5mm patch cable.

Any help would be appreciated!!


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14 Feb 2015   #2
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

You have RealTek PC audio. Have the "Stereo Mix" set as the default recording device and you will be able to directly record streaming audio with Audacity. Nothing else is needed.

You can probably do it with all the extra equipment, but its not needed and can really get in the way for recording streaming internet audio.

I have Goldwave and use that for the same thing, but Audacity will record from the Stereo Mix so that's all you need.
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14 Feb 2015   #3
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Ok Fireberd,

I went to the audio icon in my system tray, right-clicked it, and went to “Recording Devices” to open up the proper settings pane.

Then i set it up as seen in screen shot. I disabled the WsAudio_Device leaving the RealTek soundcard as the only enabled recording device. I am not sure if i should have left the WsAudio enabled, so let me know.

I am going to download and install the Audacity and wait for you to reply if i have the recording mixer set correctly.

I am going to assume that i can listen to whats being recorded thru my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC during this process.


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14 Feb 2015   #4
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

I installed Audacity and tried to record while playing the Sirius internet radio thru the browser and did record, and in .wav which is what i wanted to do, but the recording was blank.

I am not sure if it is due to having unchecked the WsAudio_Device,

Or if i had the recording device in the Audacity program selected, since you cant tell when you select it that it is actually selected.

Or if i had the recording volume down to much. Or some other issue...

This program will be a steep learning curve. I wonder if there is a preset set of parameters that when you click record that would at least get you recording and then you could fiddle with it and tweak it.

Kinda like your car wont start, but since you dont know what to look for as to why it wont start i have know idea why i recorded a blank file.
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14 Feb 2015   #5
badcrc

Windows 7 Pro x64 sp1
 
 

Audacity should look like this when you're recording

Can you use the audio output and input jack at the same time?-audacity.jpg

(maybe a bit more level)

then go File - export audio


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14 Feb 2015   #6
fireberd

Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

badcrc's screen shot is right on. Make sure Audacity is set as shown (stereo mix). The only thing you don't need 32 bit, 16 bit is perfectly fine as 16 bit 44.1Khz is CD audio standard. The only thing 32 bit will get you is double the size of files. Change recording in Preferences to 16 bit.

To get the track to record, go to "Tracks" the Add new Stereo Track. Not much different than a regular DAW recording program. e.g. I use Sonar and I have to add tracks before I can record.
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14 Feb 2015   #7
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Alright guys, I guess i need to noodle with it. Will report back!!

As always Fierberd, kicking butt on the audio side of things!!
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14 Feb 2015   #8
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

I had most settings the same, but was 32 bit, but for trials i left it as was and made adjustments so my Audacity more closely matched badcrc's screenshot, and there is still no sound on the file.

I went to tracks and I clicked add new tracks and then i clicked the recording device, (Realtek) and the section showing 44100 hz, 32 bit darkened a bit, so i think that was correct. When you click on something in Audacity there is no appearance change on a button to know if what you clicked on is what is what the setting you think you choose actually is.


What am i doing wrong? Please look at my prior posts for things i think may be not set correctly. This may be why there is low/absent signal.


The Sirius is playing fine on my PC, (you can see the player behind) but i am not sure Audacity is recording it. Possibly due to incorrect settings. I got Audacity ready, turned on the player, hit play, then clicked record on Audacity and saw there was no level to the recording.


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14 Feb 2015   #9
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

I have another issue. I changed the bit to 16 and when i press record it jumps back to 32!! I tried to uncheck 32bit and then set 16 and did this a few times, but it always reverts back to 32 bit.
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14 Feb 2015   #10
MetalMan228

Windows 7 professional 64 bit
 
 

Unfortunately I have another issue. I tried recording using a CD as the source with my JRivers Media Center and Audacity gave me an error message and would not record. See screenshot

This time the bits stayed at 16.

See my earlier screenshots of recording devices for how they were set. I went in and enabled the WsAudio_Device but that did not work either. Now when i did that i had two recording devices enabled, and both were listed as default devices, but i am not sure how a PC can have two default devices.

Something is obviously not set correctly, or multiple things are awack, but this software is giving me zero results just like using JRivers to record streaming internet. It did record, but had no music on the files, they were blank. Are we all missing something here??


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