| Windows 7: What are the implications of disabling the UAC |
12 Aug 2010
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#12 | | Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit Virginia |

Quote: Originally Posted by MrBrian Good God. I didn't think we had one that long, but the first page sums it up pretty well. People were complaining all the time that XP wasn't secure enough. MS adds something to make it more secure, and now everyone hates that. I've worked on a couple Vista machines, and I gotta say, even Vista's UAC does not annoy me, and almost everything causes it to pop up. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba P775-S7100 OS Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit CPU Intel Core i5-2450M @2.5 GHz Memory 6 GB DDR3 1333MHz Graphics Card Intel HD 3000 Monitor(s) Displays Built-in 17.3" LED; 22" Insignia NS-L22Q-10A Screen Resolution 1600x900; 1360x768 Hard Drives 750 GB Hitachi
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12 Aug 2010
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#13 | | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit Build 7600 / Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP3 Mexico |
Well... I have a particular view on UAC...
First of all, UAC is intended for "unexperienced users" that use windows... you know, the typical guy that just chats, check emails and post things on facebook... and does some stuff on office... this kind of user is not aware about system security or how to "keep himself secure" from attacks, so, to avoid that kind of infections -wich, at least in my country, are the MAIN reason why everyone has virus in their PC's- Microsoft decided to add this control... if you see this closely, is similar to the Linux kernel protections... when you run stuff with your own user, but you always need to invoke the "super user" to add programs, updates and stuff, so you need to give permission to Linux to contiue... UAC is based on that... Is new for many users because they were always on windows and never had to test a Linux enviornment... basically now you need to give permission to windows for doing "X" action, if you are unsure or you know that is not trusable, you can cancel any action before it harms your system.
If you think you have good protection (good anti-malware) and the sites you visit are secure, and you dont instal anything what you see... you can turn UAC off... anyway, I only recommend this for experienced users... you must know what you are doing.
Personally, I know what I do, but it doesn't botter me to have UAC on... if you think UAC is annoying, you never used Vista then... there IT WAS a pain in the a**... at least in 7 is quire reasonable how it works.
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13 Aug 2010
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#15 | | MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit Austin, Texas |
Spiderplant,
If you aren't connected to the Internet, then run that slider all of the way down.
If you are connected to the internet, then one step down from the top.
Reason being that sometimes the bad guys get a jump ahead of the anti-virus/anti-malware boys and the consequences could be very undesirable. It's a gamble. There are people who go up in an airplane just to jump out knowing full well that sometimes things go astray and they become only a memory. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop OS MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit CPU AMD A10-4600M Motherboard AMD Pumori (Socket FT1) Memory 6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28) Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7660G Sound Card High Definition Audio Device Monitor(s) Displays Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz) Screen Resolution 1600x900@60Hz Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410 Hard Drives SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device Internet Speed What the local pub, local coffee shop offers. Other Info Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device
Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed. |
13 Aug 2010
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#16 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
Anyone who thinks UAC is a lot of hassle should try working with systems, that require a 20+ character, random Generated, Strong Password, to access admin/root commands.
If you are running as a standard user as default and not using IE then I would accept that running without UAC is acceptable, but with reasonable password rules running this way would be likely to be more hassle, than the UAC prompts
No one will ever be advised by me to revert to the way the majority of home users ran XP, as a full admin with no other control. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Real World Computing (Me + a little help from Acer) OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6 GHz Motherboard Aspire M3400 Memory 4Gb PC10600 DDR3 1333 MHz Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce 315 512MB Sound Card OnBoard - Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays Philips 32" HDTV, (HDMI) + 26" TV (VGA) Screen Resolution 1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1360 x 768 @60Hz Keyboard Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) Mouse Microsoft Wireless 800 or Stock Acer, (depends where I sit) PSU Stock (400W) Case Acer M3400 Cooling Stock Hard Drives 500 GB Seagate ST3500418AS SATA II
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13 Aug 2010
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#17 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit In a house with a cat trying to kill me |
Quote: Good God. I didn't think we had one that long, but the first page sums it up pretty well. People were complaining all the time that XP wasn't secure enough. MS adds something to make it more secure, and now everyone hates that. I've worked on a couple Vista machines, and I gotta say, even Vista's UAC does not annoy me, and almost everything causes it to pop up. Don't you know Petey7.....no ones EVER satisfied...with anything... | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dell Hell oh Well OS Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.93GHz Memory Not much with my ADHD Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 4350 Monitor(s) Displays I have one...It's bright. A 19 inch CRT actually. Keyboard It's 10 years old and amazingly still works Mouse Same deal with the mouse, 10 yrs old, if it ain't broke... Case Don't get on my case...man :D Cooling I have an Air Conditioner & Diet Pepsi Hard Drives 250 GB Main Drive, 2 - 1 TB Externals, various FD's. |
16 Aug 2010
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#18 | | Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) (build 7600) English Scotland |
Hi, Thanks for all the replies. Sounds like I'll be reasonabley safe with UAC off (I'll turn it on again once I've figured out how to solve all the glitches).
In reply to cluberti, an example of the problems I'm having with the UAC: Using a program called gMapCreator, I get the error "java.io.FileOutputStream.open" when trying to save. Running as administrator doesnt help. Maybe its poor design that causing it to do this but I still need to use it. (I'll open another thread if I cant figure out how to eliminate this problem with the UAC on).
Thanks
Last edited by spiderplant0; 16 Aug 2010 at 08:57 AM..
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16 Aug 2010
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lets virus control your computer if infected | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number i power x8870 OS 7 CPU intel 2 core quad Q6600 2.40 ghz Memory 3.00GB 350 mhz each Graphics Card geforce 8800gtx Sound Card realtek Screen Resolution 1440by900 PSU OCZ 600 watt power supply Hard Drives 5400rpm 2 of them Internet Speed nvidia nforce networking controller 90kb/s Other Info total virtual memory is 7.88 GB
this is a 32-bit system |
16 Aug 2010
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#20 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX First of all, UAC is intended for "unexperienced users" that use windows... Well, I cannot say that I agree with this. I put myself far from the level of "unexperienced user" and I leave my UAC enabled. In fact, I configured my box using a limited user access account with UAC...so not only do I have to click ok, I also have to type in a username and password each time. Honestly, this only happens to me 2 or 3 times in any given day at work. 
Quote: Originally Posted by FerchogtX If you think you have good protection (good anti-malware) and the sites you visit are secure, and you dont instal anything what you see... you can turn UAC off... anyway, I only recommend this for experienced users... you must know what you are doing. Sites that I visit on the web could be compromised, and a DNS attack could lead me to a bogus site. How could I ever be absolutely sure...even as a knowledgeable user. Same goes for the applications that I use, I do understand their intended purpose...but if I have an app that somehow wants escalated permissions, I certainly want to know about it. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Self-Built in July 2009 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS Memory 8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings Graphics Card EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570 Sound Card Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio Monitor(s) Displays 23" Acer x233H Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard ABS M1 Mechanical Mouse Logitech G9 Laser Mouse PSU Corsair 620HX modular Case Antec P182 Cooling stock Hard Drives Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
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