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06 Oct 2010   #11

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I like you suggestion madtownidiot, those countries would just have to try there new botnets and virus on each other. Very good idea.
I imagine state sponsored crackers would be shut down very quickly in those countries if the entire set of IP addresses for each corresponding nation were suddenly isolated from the rest of the world.


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06 Oct 2010   #13

 

Now, if only they would target really obnoxious sites like freecreditreport.com ....I really hate those commercials
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06 Oct 2010   #14

Win 7 32 Home Premium, Win 7 64 Pro, Win 8.1 Pro
 
 

Oh there's lots of places out there that will launch an attack on a site...for the right price.

You can now rent a botnet for as cheap as 12 to 35$ an hour...and you usually get a bargain price if you rent it for 24 hours.

There are trojan kits for rent or sale also, complete with tech assistance if you need help using them or setting them up. (Updates included in the price of some)

Nothing surprises me anymore...

@madtownidiot...nice avatar. All too true
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06 Oct 2010   #15

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Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
The Chinese Government says they are trying to stop this kind of thing, they wouldn't lie to the world, would they.

I hope you had your tongue planted firmly in cheek when you typed that....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I like you suggestion madtownidiot, those countries would just have to try there new botnets and virus on each other. Very good idea.
I imagine state sponsored crackers would be shut down very quickly in those countries if the entire set of IP addresses for each corresponding nation were suddenly isolated from the rest of the world.
It is certainly do-able.
I seem to recall google being "isolated" from a certain country.
I haven't keep up with whether or not they regained full access or not.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
Now, if only they would target really obnoxious sites like freecreditreport.com ....I really hate those commercials
Two that get to me:
finallyfast, and MyPC.

Why any reputable media outlet would even consider running ads that are scare-ware.....
Oh! That's right $,$$$,$$$.$$

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Borg 386 View Post
Oh there's lots of places out there that will launch an attack on a site...for the right price.

You can now rent a botnet for as cheap as 12 to 35$ an hour...and you usually get a bargain price if you rent it for 24 hours.

There are trojan kits for rent or sale also, complete with tech assistance if you need help using them or setting them up. (Updates included in the price of some)

Nothing surprises me anymore...

@madtownidiot...nice avatar. All too true
Anyone remember the late 50's TV western, Paladin?
From the theme song, "A knight without armor in a savage land."

Instead of "Have Gun - Will Travel" it should be
"Have Programming - Will Distribute"
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06 Oct 2010   #16

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
Two that get to me:
finallyfast, and MyPC.

Why any reputable media outlet would even consider running ads that are scare-ware.....
Oh! That's right $,$$$,$$$.$$

oh.. didn't think of them.. but IMO anyone stupid enough to take those commercials at face value should not be allowed near a computer anyway. Those commercials are really obnoxious too but I've never met anyone who's actually tried those scams.. Maybe they even work
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07 Oct 2010   #17

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lorddenis View Post
well they have to have an ip addres..
Having an IP Address does not necessarily do much.

Back in the 80s, there was a movie called 'Sneakers'. With Robert Redford, Sidney Poitier, River Phoenix, Dan Aykroyd.

The same method that people use to make calls difficult to trace, good hackers use to cover their tracks by bouncing off several compromised servers to prevent people from pinning them down. And yes, I am using a fantasized story with regards to something that should be RL, but the fact is, some things portrayed in movies are things people will try and do to cover their tracks.

Meanwhile, even if you DO get the originator's IP, That person's IP might be behind an ISP shared pool, which is not necessarily assigned to one person. Current Cable and DSL ISPs DHCP their IPs to the users, and sometimes those change on a month to month basis, even under an always on situation. Unless you pay for a static connection, your connection is never going to have a static IP. Part of this is also to prevent certain people from abusing their lower consumer grade bandwidth with you hosting your own server when you should be paying a higher tier connection to do that.

In either case, the last hurdle will be geographic location. Attacks on one system in one country does not mean that country can pursue, legally, someone in another country. While it is a crime, the most one country can do is inform another country of being violated or attacked by someone within the offending country and even then, the offending country has to actually gather corroborating proof that the claim is true, otherwise it devolves into issues of who is telling the truth.

Remember, our current world affairs, even 'friendly' countries don't quite trust the other friendly country with certain things. In this era, information and cyberwarfare is the new Cold War. Each country would love to have their cyber hackers tagged and collected because those will be the people who will be part of the front lines trying to get the much needed information that combat needs at time.
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08 Oct 2010   #18

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

I just thought of this scenario. A person want a free registry cleaner that isn't free using a torrent through a botnet. Now is that a computer bomb just waiting to go boom.
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08 Oct 2010   #19

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I just thought of this scenario. A person want a free registry cleaner that isn't free using a torrent through a botnet. Now is that a computer bomb just waiting to go boom.
i think that i dont understand... that program clean's a registry?
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09 Oct 2010   #20

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lorddenis View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
I just thought of this scenario. A person want a free registry cleaner that isn't free using a torrent through a botnet. Now is that a computer bomb just waiting to go boom.
i think that i dont understand... that program clean's a registry?
Basically, Layback is presenting a scenario where you are trying to get a 'free' registry cleaner from a questionable source, in this case, a bit torrent bot net...

The 'free' part implying it is hacked or cracked. Which, in itself, is still questionable and is often just a way to put yourself at risk at some point in time as it might have a time delayed code to mess with your system.

Time delayed viruses are the hardest to pin down because most people don't know they are infected until it goes off. Most viruses tend to propagate, trying to infect as many computers as it can, which sets off alarms. Time delayed ones are less noticeable unless someone trips over it by accident and triggers it or notices something 'out of the ordinary'... But most people who try to get the 'free' software, often times don't notice it until it is too late.
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