| Windows 7: Firewall tests |
17 Sep 2011
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#21 | | |
If you are really serious about security. forgot consumer products you run on your computer. Go hardware like I do on several corporate networks. We use hardware firewalls, IDS/IPS, and anti-virus/malware. Only bare-bones security software runs on client machines.
However, on a consumer network you rarely ever need more then a properly configured router. Unless you want to spend every waking moment trying to configure a complex set of firewall rules. | My System Specs |
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17 Sep 2011
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#22 | | Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Bay Area Peninsula |

Quote: Originally Posted by FranzB 
Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead 
Quote: Originally Posted by FranzB
Yes, i know the site and the leak test. As far as i know all firewalls fail the GRC test except ZoneAlarm which is, however, a real pain in the neck and not just inconvenient to use. Where did mine fail? Attachment 175729 Attachment 175730 Attachment 175731 Attachment 175732 -------------
Those are the port scans. How about the Leak Test? Different story probably. Leak test, ports and ping all passed, even though I score only 200/340 on Commodo Test, even though tried multiple times to set it up as stated.
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18 Sep 2011
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#23 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode |

Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth If you are really serious about security. forgot consumer products you run on your computer. Go hardware like I do on several corporate networks. We use hardware firewalls, IDS/IPS, and anti-virus/malware. Only bare-bones security software runs on client machines.
However, on a consumer network you rarely ever need more then a properly configured router. Unless you want to spend every waking moment trying to configure a complex set of firewall rules. .............................................
I completely agree for 100.0000%. I said it before somewhere in a reply posting. If you walk around with 25 dollars (or whatever) in your purse you don't have a heavily armed security gorilla with you, a few steps back. The situation becomes different if you are transporting a few millions.
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18 Sep 2011
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#24 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode |

Quote: Originally Posted by bigcitycat Sure! I configured it. It's wpa2 with stealth ports. I have Norton internet security too. I'm just saying the best firewall is a properly configured router. At least for incoming anyway. ..........................................
No point in arguing with that. Still, it is always a good idea to check whether or not your 'whatever ' is properly configured. It can't do any harm and if you have the 'checks' at hand it is done quickly. And that is the reason i started this thread. To find out what checks are available. I did a lot of gooooogling and it's amazing how many of those web pages that have checks give you the notice
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18 Sep 2011
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#25 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode |
[QUOTE=A Guy;1583145][QUOTE=FranzB;1582402] 
Quote: Originally Posted by HammerHead
Leak test, ports and ping all passed, even though I score only 200/340 on Commodo Test, even though tried multiple times to set it up as stated. Attachment 175853
A Guy .........................................
Some years ago Comodo used to fail the test, as far as i can remember. I'm not sure though. I thought only ZoneAlarm passed the test at that time.
And i really wonder. Is the Comodo test not rigged? They say it is not.
The trouble, of course, with all these programs is that you don't know what is programmed into these programs. You can't ever check; even if you have access to the program line by line it will take days of work to see what is done, and that's true even if you have written the program yourself. It takes days to check your own creativity if you have to change something.
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18 Sep 2011
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#26 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode |
Btw, there is an interesting, sometimes heated discussion going on at "Best firewall" started by seekermeister
two weeks ago. You can see again all these personal opinions. We need checks, objective checks. Especially to see whether or not the firewall you are using is configured properly and especially if you are not a security expert
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18 Sep 2011
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#27 | | |
Unfortunately, these so called firewall test are not actually testing the firewall. The Comodo Leaktest for example is not actually testing the firewall like GRC is. The Comodo Leaktest is testing for things that are not even part of a firewall.
For example, all of these injection test are outside the realm for a firewall. Code: 10. Injection: SetWinEventHook
11. Injection: SetWindowsHookEx
12. Injection: SetThreadContext
13. Injection: Services
14. Injection: ProcessInject
15. Injection: KnownDlls
16. Injection: DupHandles
17. Injection: CreateRemoteThread
18. Injection: APC dll injection
19. Injection: AdvancedProcessTermination What the Comodo Leaktest is really testing is HIPS, Host-based Intrusion Prevention not a firewall. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
19 Sep 2011
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#28 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 32bit, Linux Mint Julia, in dual boot mode |
Thank for all your replies.
On a rainy, quiet Sunday morning i did some digging with Google and i came across three websites that set me straight or at least left me wondering. If i would have read them before posting this thread i would probably never have posted it.
The three are: www.matousec.com: Security software testing, analyses, research and reviews. ---->projects ------>proactive security challenge http://techsupportalert.com/ ----->enter 'matousec' in the search box. The Older Geek*|* -------> enter 'how to test your firewall' in the search box.
Pages and pages of text.
The second link above has some heavy criticism of what the matousec site says and how it tests. Quote:
"Some of the site's claims are misleading".
In one of the three sites it says that leak tests, including the one from Gibson Research, are outdated, i.e. useless.
All of them have, btw, lists of best AVs and firewalls.
So now i am wondering about everything: tests, best "whatever", etc.
The worst part is that even testing the security of a system seems rigged, biased or may be influenced by commercial interests or testing is carried out for properties that are not claimed by the programs tested (and then handed out bad marks). You simply don't know any longer what you can trust and what not.
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19 Sep 2011
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#29 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 + x86 + Windows 8 x64 Newport, South Wales, UK |
I think most of the more experienced users on this site will say that the "Best ...." articles and blogs on the net are often biased from one way or another, the best of anything is the one that works for you, based on your own experience and your set-up.
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19 Sep 2011
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You want to test a firewall? GRC. It test only the firewall. fancy port scanner you say? Well yes that is how you test a firewall. A firewall blocks ports, allows/blocks communications on said ports. That is all a firewall does. Simple right?
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