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15 Nov 2011   #1
Trebly

W7 64 pro
 
 
Update, delete a user rule in firewall - admin reserved, I am but...

Hi,

Context : I have problems with ICMP and Dhcp, with abnormal packages locked by firewall, this is another problem but this leads me to use events lists and create events (audit) by defining rules into the firewall.


Facts
I have created a user rule into the advanced rules of the Win 7 x64 Pro firewall, this for the test and more with a task associated (message when a data package is blocked).
  1. I feel unable to update the rule (or delete it). The message is "This rule has been created by admin (but I am admin and I have created it) and can't be changed", no elevation proposed (anyway all runs as admin).
    So my question is "who have the rights to modify the user (admin) rules of the firewall when the admin who have created it has no rights ?" .

  2. Secondarly, as I have associated a task to the rule :
    "Where I can find any information about this task ?" I could not find anything about, it seems not listed into the rule properties, I could neither find a way, no help, no doc, nothing on net. I should hope to have a way to get a command to list (list with task and associated rules) and manage from it these tasks : this from the items of tasks and as I have said, from the rules. "How can I modify these tasks"
Best regards

Trebly


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15 Nov 2011   #2
Trebly

W7 64 pro
 
 

I add,

- I test the use of netsh with line command.
kb/947709 : netsh advfirewall firewall delete rule name=rule name
So the delete rule exists by this way but it couldn't find the user rule that I define till know (by name, I used the displayed name that I gave to the rule) may be because I could not find a way to display a list of the names of the rules else than on the screen of the firewall manager and the name is wrong, curious ; another reason worse could be that the rule name search fails for user rules... should be coherent with others problems. Then in such case it should be a dead lock.

- About the associated task with the audit of the event : If I could, with the "current task manager" delete the current instances, I could not suspend the generator task, so the message production (the task execution by the event) can't be stopped (I just, to be able to go on working, made this : if I don't acknowledge the message and I put it in a corner, it remains there, the current instance locks the others that are waiting... till I cancel them with the current task manager)
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15 Nov 2011   #3
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Trebly View Post
- About the associated task with the audit of the event : If I could, with the "current task manager" delete the current instances, I could not suspend the generator task, so the message production (the task execution by the event) can't be stopped (I just, to be able to go on working, made this : if I don't acknowledge the message and I put it in a corner, it remains there, the current instance locks the others that are waiting... till I cancel them with the current task manager)
Did you create the task? Is the task just for alerting purposes? If you created the task, you should be able to disable the task in task scheduler. I may be misunderstanding but it sounds to me like you have created a task for 5157 security event which is nothing more than a generic statement provided by you when the task is created. On blocking of an outbound, the dialog popups with the message you provided.
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16 Nov 2011   #4
Trebly

W7 64 pro
 
 

Hi,

Thanks, it is not exactly what I have done but you give me the trigger which have given to me the solution in less than one minute.

The reason why I had failed

When I had gone to the task manager I simply have not found the commands on the task (a common design of interfaces), the click right on the object into the list (I remember to have worked on this 15th years ago).

The event generation
About the event, it is generated by the firewall where I add a rule (selective) to which I linked an audit and the task. Everything is simple though another second level problem that I found while the main one is not at all solved.

So I had to delete the task and it is now clean, it was no more useful even the main problem is not solved.

The other (second level problem) : how to delete or inactivate the user defined special and/or temporary rule(s) of the firewall
About second level problems which is linked is that I couldn't find a way to delete the rule I have created into the firewall.

I will make now a separate thread but I told about here yesterday while you were answering to me.

I tried to delete the rule that I have defined for the firewall. I failed because the firewall interface refuses to edit the rule properties and/unactivate it. The message is :
"This rule has been defined by the administrator and can't be altered"
but I am the administrator and I have launched the firewall administrator as administrator...
I have not found any solution with this "firewall with advanced functions" administrator.

So I thought that I could find a solution with NETSH. I failed too because the user rules seems not to be reachable.

About the main problem :
I have heavy errors, since ten days, that have cut off partially the LAN, with UDP with ports 67,68 for Dhcp (with address 0 and 255) ports which are too used by Ping (with adresses of the ping). I got too ICMP errors.
The computers and other components can be seen and communicate but not regularly.

This seems to had begun to occur (it is difficult to locate exactly) when I set the parameters to manage UPnP IGD (wmpnetwk.exe and Teredo redirecting various ports).
At the same time I got the same problem with another computer running on XP SP3 and which I design and use to be local and dynDNS server on a net which has only commonly four computer. The computer on XP must serve internet sites that I develop and locally multimedia, used to for back-up (1Gb network).

The events are constant but the rules are OK, I am for the moment lost in this problem. As my lan is locked by this problem I don't produce anything during the last ten days...
I have written a long report about what I observed (this helps me because I work alone, I check all what I write even for me although) but it is in French.

Thanks,
Best regards

Trebly
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16 Nov 2011   #5
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Trebly View Post

The other (second level problem) : how to delete or inactivate the user defined special and/or temporary rule(s) of the firewall
About second level problems which is linked is that I couldn't find a way to delete the rule I have created into the firewall.

Thanks,
Best regards

Trebly
Depending on security permissions, even though you are an Admin user, you still may have to elevate the Advanced Security of the Firewall. In Administrative Tools, right click the Windows Firewall with Advanced Security link and select Run as administrator. See if that will work for deleting the rule
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17 Nov 2011   #6
Trebly

W7 64 pro
 
 
Modify user rules in firewall even by admin

Hi,

It is what I have said, I opened all (cmd, firewall, task...) always as admin.

More I checked the rights.

With cmd and task manager it is OK, with the firewall there is no access (right click on the user rule don't contain inactivate command, while it is ok for the others rules, the lonely commands are copy, show properties, help - which don't give any information about the rights which is normal because evident).

Further it seems that a more global problems exists, because when I run as user the advanced firewall I have exactly the same capabilities as administrator, this while the rights are limited to read and use... It is evident that without elevation I should not have the right to inactivate, modify or destroy rules...

The other question is where we can find with netsh the user rules show and alter with command lines.
The command :
Code:
netsh advfirewall firewall show rule name=all > x:\temp\advfirewal-all-rules.txt
generates a file which contains all the rules
except the user defined ones...

Thanks and best regards,
we progress (each of your question makes me do actions that I had not the idea to do before it, as the test of the behaviour of advanced firewall with various access rights)

trebly

Note1 : About the global problem
I have looked in details to NAT problems, because it was not functionning for a dynDNS with port 80 as internal. Note that there was several address port conflict with others servers and the net. So the solution was to reserve a port for Apache the NAT is now 80 -> <Server (XPsp3) IP of the machine which has Apache server : xxxx> Apache listens now the machine fixed IP with this new specialized port. This allows a perfect service.
Nevertheless the ping problem remains. I can't ping the server as defined neither the machine working with Win7-x64

Note 2 : the cmd out to file is cp850 coded and I discover that I had no more with any soft or editor which holds this codepage. I could not find any soft which could function as pipe on dos commands to encode cp850 to 1452 or 8859 or better UTF8. do you know one or a more simple solution than writing the soft (even a few lines, it takes time) ?
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