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Windows 7: Disable forever. "Special permissions"

05 Aug 2010   #51

Windows 7 x64

Hmmm i didn't know the existance of windows easy tranfer, but i found this article Windows 7 : Easy Transfer Files, Users and Settings and i think it is usefull when you want to tranfer settings on other computer. My personals files are 280Gb and wizard needs to be backup up. I don't have another drive and probably would take a lot of time to complete.

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06 Aug 2010   #52

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

Generally when I use the transfer wizard I actually skip transfering user files. Only the IE prefs, mail and user account. Then I just leave my user files on the secondary drive (If you keep them there), they are then automatically still owned by you in the new system. Even copying your user files off to an external drive by hand then back afterwards works well and takes less time than letting the transfer wizard do it. BUT the transfer wizard, though slow, really works well if you just want to let it do it's thing and can wait.
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06 Aug 2010   #53

Windows 7 x64

Well this is a usefull advice then, thanks! Do you know how to restore my previous security settings or do i have to it manually?
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26 Oct 2010   #54

home premium 64

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
That ain't gonna happen - you cannot log in as TrustedInstaller / System, and that is the privilege set you'll need to not have those permissions there.

If you think you know your system that well, why upgrade to Vista / W7? get XP and you'll have full control - and will need 3 layers of protection that this one feature alone helps prevent....

If you cannot take control of the folders, there is not much you can do, short of (possibly) logging into Vista and taking control there.
I am confused by your reply.

I, for example, would like to drag and drop a folder from my E drive, to the my music folder on the C drive

can't do it
full control is granted to everyone, admin bla bla
cant do it

the tone of your response to the OP suggests that this feature is an improvement, and that if we don't like it we should go back to XP and install triple layer antivirus

this isnt "protection", it simply an annoyance
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26 Oct 2010   #55

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fseal View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Spira View Post
Well i have also problem with permisions. I have changed the default location of Myfiles(My Pictures, Music etc) to my 2nd drive. The problems appears when i reinstall windows i can't access some files. Changing permissions sometimes works but somotimes have to change each subfolder to change all permissions. What i found as solution is to change the permissions of my 2nd drive where myfiles are stored to everyone and full access. It seems to work.
That is normal and expected. Those file belonged to the old user on your old windows install.

As for demanding "Full control" of your machine. I put it to you (whoever it applies to) that until you know exactly how your machine works, you should NOT have full control over it. Further; Merely making the satatement that you deserve full control means you DON'T know how the machine works and therefor do not deserve full control over it. I DO know how my machine works and I KNOW that my normal user account and even the admin account do not deserve default permissions to do anything they want (Though admin CAN change those permissions if they FULLY understand the consequences of doing so, then putting thm back when done with their immediate work)
So, It is unreasonable for me attempt to drag a folder named "tones" with 7 mp3 files in it into the "my music" folder in a user acct?????
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26 Oct 2010   #56

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

Of course not, but the OP had changed the structure of his "my" folders and in the process caused a permission problem. WHat you DON'T want is for anyone ELSE to be able to drag files into YOUR folders. Also files that belong to other users are not your account's to drag and drop where you like either. That's what the permission system is for.

Under normal circumstances this is never an issue, but sometimes people peek and poke and move things around without really knowing what's going on and they can get into situations where the permissions "get in the way". However once you understand what's happening (which should happen before moving things around too much) it's easy to fix in most cases.
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17 Dec 2010   #57

windows ultimate 64bit
Take ownership!!!

The reg patch is like a gift from above!!! I was ready to set my PC on fire. Migrate the take ownership reg string into the registry by clicking on it. The actual windows drive (in my case C is a bit picky so you have to open the drive to root and right click each folder chosing the new "take ownership" option in the menu, then TADA. . . The annoying messages go away. Who the hell did that system guy think he was anyways??
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17 Dec 2010   #58

Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

Take Ownership is also one of the fastest ways of bricking your system if you use it on the wrong folder.

You should only use it on your own files (which may have been created on a previous or some other windows machine with a seperate account ID), and in rare cases a program folder under c:\Programs, never on the root of the C drive or C:/Windows or any subfolders of the windows folder.

Take Ownership is merely a shortcut way of using the permission system directly (Right click, properties, security). It's ease of use is handy, but a lot of people get into trouble by overusing it on things that it's not needed on.
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18 Dec 2010   #59

Windows 7
Permissions prevents program installation

Win 7 Professional 32-bit
I have encountered a problem when trying to install some programs that is somehow related to permissions. I just tried to install Photoshop Elements. The install proceeds to a point and then I receive a msg. the Organizer installer does not have permission to access a certain file. The install fails at this point. This has happened with other programs too. I have tried logging on as Admin., Run as Admin., & Safe Mode w/o success. I tried to Take Ownership but could not find the referenced file in Explorer (probably blocked by permissions again). I have also spent several hours searching through various forums and MS Knowledge Base but could not find an answer to this problem.

This is very aggravating, all these damn permissions! I'm about ready to go back to XP! Is there some way to resolve: 1) my specific installation problem; 2) turn off all these permission blocks?
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18 Dec 2010   #60

WIN7 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 ENT x64, Windows Server 2008 R2 ENT x64, CentOS 5.5 x64

This is very aggravating, all these damn permissions! I'm about ready to go back to XP! Is there some way to resolve: 1) my specific installation problem; 2) turn off all these permission blocks?
Answer to Question 1) --->

Yes, re-installation of the OS, I know you do not want to hear that, but be glad your system likely does not take 300 to 400 hours to reinstall and configure as our machines did once hitting the "supposedly non-existent" permissions issue - read the entire thread for the sad story...

Answer to Question 2) --->

No, you cannot turn off "all of these permission blocks." While I wish they did not exist most of the time for they are of no use to me and are only noticed when something "goes wrong" - otherwise the annoyance is transparent or a non-issue, they are part of the package.

The only "solutions" are to not use Windows 7, Windows Server 2008/R2 at all and go back to XP, 2003 or NT, or if you are willing to waste time with "hope" (which it is doubtful to help...) you can shut off driver signing and use the driver mentioned in this thread that will grant you root access to the entire hard drive. Since this issue is an uncommon registry related problem essentially of unkown origin, it is far more likely you fix nothing with that method and merely do more harm than good; see post above warning of folks hosing their machines with incorrectly applied permissions...

Re-installation on such complex systems as we run is a PITA, but this is one of two strange bugs that crop up that Microsoft's new permissions make it essentially impossible to fix and they continue to deny their existance. The second "system-stopper" that could have been easily fixed when permission was granted to the Admin in ALL OF THE registry (like XP and prior) is the bug that causes USB storgae media drivers to fail. The keys could have been deleted and reinstalled in XP, not any longer; if your system gets this USB mass storage device driver "bug" - there is still only one known fix for it; the same as permissions, reinstall the OS. I more than anyone hate to utter such words as this is MS's universal response to ANYTHING that is not included on a support individual's computer screen, but it is one of a few sad realities of the new Microsoft OS's.

Maybe one day they will fix such a simple bug as the dam "auto-hide" taskbar option that temporarily locks up W7 systems after a screensaver, screen shutdown, or hibernation event... Good luck with that one too... No known universal fix for that I've seen yet, though it did not occur in WS08/R2 at all... (That is WS08/R2 that has been converted to run with the same GUI as W7.)
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