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Windows 7: "Windows Defender" opens with each boot

03 Apr 2013   #1

XP/7x32-x64/8x64
 
 
"Windows Defender" opens with each boot

How do I stop the "Windows Defender" window from opening with every boot/logon.

Windows 7 64bit standalone PC
not connected to internet
no AV
firewall is irrelevant

"Windows Defender" opens with each boot-windows-defender-64bit.png

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EDIT: 19-Sep-2013
Solution at post #18 I recommend you read all posts -- a lot of generous helpers on this forum.



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03 Apr 2013   #2

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GrayGhost2 View Post
How do I stop the "Windows Defender" window from opening with every boot/logon.

Windows 7 64bit standalone PC
not connected to internet
no AV
firewall is irrelevant

Attachment 262421
And you don't touch this computer with removable media - right?
No CDs, DVDs, USB flash drives....

Then you can disable the service named Windows Defender.
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03 Apr 2013   #3

windows 7 ultimate x64
 
 

msconfig in start menu 'enter' and in start up tab untick windows defender.

Startup Programs - Change
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03 Apr 2013   #4

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Go to Start Orb and type inWindows Defender. Then tick on Windows Defender and you will get options to turn off Defender.

Windows Defender - Turn On or Off

If you ever go online or allow anything to be plugged into your computer you should have security.
A friends CD/DVD/Flash stick can be infected and should be checked.
Other examples would be going to a LAN party, connecting to a network or domain. Security is just not for internet.
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03 Apr 2013   #5

XP/7x32-x64/8x64
 
 
Windows Defender (nag)

@ deanolfc

Startup Programs - Change
Startup Programs - Change
Failed
Disabled/unchecked "Windows Defender" in ... System Configuration > Services
Applied > OK
Rebooted
"Windows Defender" opened with reboot
System Configuration > Services > [ ] Windows Defender ... is still unchecked after reboot
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@ Layback Bear
"Turn off Windows defender"
Windows Defender - Turn On or Off
- sevenforums images are nothing like my Windows 7-64bit
Control Panel > Windows Defender > Tools <<< is DISABLED
- cannot progress any further
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&quot;Windows Defender&quot; opens with each boot-windows-defender_2-64bit.png
I now suspect I should be "Administrator" ... BUT ...
There is no "Administrator" access via context menu. nor Login as Administrator
Admin-Password as empty-string fails, I have not created a admin-password.
PC is standalone one user, me.
Could I use a password hack tool?


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04 Apr 2013   #6

XP/7x32-x64/8x64
 
 
Account Recovery Disc

I suspect I am going to need a "Account Recovery Disc"

Am I too late if I don't already have one ?
I cannot login as administrator.

EDIT:
Can I make a "Recovery Disc" on my clean Windows 7 32bit PC
and use the CD to fix the Windows 7 64bit PC
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04 Apr 2013   #7

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GrayGhost2 View Post
@ deanolfc

Startup Programs - Change
Startup Programs - Change
Failed
Disabled/unchecked "Windows Defender" in ... System Configuration > Services
Applied > OK
Rebooted
"Windows Defender" opened with reboot
System Configuration > Services > [ ] Windows Defender ... is still unchecked after reboot
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@ Layback Bear
"Turn off Windows defender"
Windows Defender - Turn On or Off
- sevenforums images are nothing like my Windows 7-64bit
Control Panel > Windows Defender > Tools <<< is DISABLED
- cannot progress any further
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Attachment 262559
I now suspect I should be "Administrator" ... BUT ...
There is no "Administrator" access via context menu. nor Login as Administrator
Admin-Password as empty-string fails, I have not created a admin-password.
PC is standalone one user, me.
Could I use a password hack tool?
Please read thru this entire novel before you take any actions.

First, I want say to everyone in this thread that it is not my intentions to be rude to anyone in this thread or to GrayGhost2 - I'll try and say these next two things as nicely as I can:

1) One of the problems in forums like this is you might get a lot of advice between when you first post and when you check back. In this case, the order that the advice was given has worked against you. To be clear, I am not saying to the others that are helping you: "Stay out of this thread, I'm helping this OP." And I'm not saying that the info suggested by others was wrong. To the contrary, I was wrong, others had better ideas.

2) Either you (GrayGhost2)...
...made an error as you detailed the actions that you took
...or you misread what deanolfc wrote
...or you assumed that deanolfc made a typo, so you took other actions
...or you did what I suggested but used deanolfc's method to do that
...or something else went wrong in the communications
...or I don't have a clue what is going on :-)


deanolfc suggested:
msconfig in start menu 'enter' and in start up tab untick windows defender.

You wrote that you:
Disabled/unchecked "Windows Defender" in ... System Configuration > Services

Since you have disabled the the Windows Defender (WD) service, you will not be able to complete the steps suggested by Layback Bear. The Tools option within the WD app will remain disabled until you re-enable and start the WD service. Please note, that the normal start method for the WD service is Automatic (Delayed). When you restart your computer, then logon and you see the WD app window, you will see an error in that window because the WD service has not had time to start. The window will look just like you showed in post #5. Just wait for it to start. It can take a several minutes. (Obviously, the WD service will never start if you leave it disabled. Please use msconfig to re-enable the WD service.)



I think that you were sort of quoting what deanolfc posted when you posted a link to the Startup Programs - Change tutorial. But right under link you wrote failed. (I added the red font to "failed" in your original post that I quoted above.)

Does this mean that you worked thru all six methods in the tutorial and that all six methods have failed to stop the Windows Defender app from opening each time the you boot/logon - please clarify.



Next, I would like tell you why I only posted the three lines that I did instead of jumping right to the part about stopping the Window Defender (WD) window from appearing.
1st post: you stated that you don't want/need security apps and that the WD window opens
2nd post: I mentioned paths to infections and suggest disabling the WD service
~~~I had hoped for this:
3rd post: you acknowledge the risks and say that you still want no protection via WD.
4th and subsequent posts: we look for WD in all of the many app startup places.

My suggestion to disable WD's service was not meant to stop the WD window from appearing. It is the first thing that I would do if I was not going to use WD on a computer like you described. There is no sense in the service running if you are not going to use WD. That said, I was wrong to suggest disabling the WD service since turning WD off (as Layback Bear suggested) is simpler and that prevents the WD service from running (unless some other app is starting it the service).

However, something is not normal with this computer of yours. So doing the normal things like turning WD off is not going to fix that anomaly. The WD window should not open each time the you boot/logon no matter if the WD app is turned on, turned off or the WD service is running, stopped or disabled.


Now, Let's work thru all six methods mentioned in the tutorial in deanolfc's post.
[The tutorial that Brink (forum admin) added to deanolf's post.]

1) Once you re-enable the WD service, then you can do what Layback Bear suggested. This is what method one in the tutorial is asking you to do. (Again, this will have no impact on the WD window appearing with each boot.)

2) For method two, you will need to check:
the folder mentioned in
method two > option one
and the folder mentioned in
method two > option two.

3) Method three is what deanolfc suggested. Please let us know if the WD app is listed in the startup tab.

4) Method four - be careful. Let us know if WD is starting from any of those locations. The exe that you are looking for is: C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe (unless some other app is starting WD)

5) You probably want to skip this one for this computer. Others might disagree.

6) Method 6 - let us know if you need help determining if a scheduled task to opening the WD window for you. Again, the exe that you are looking for is: C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe (unless some other app is starting WD)



Now to speak to the last part of the post that I quoted above:
Do not use a password hack tool and do not go searching for one on the internet. We can help you with that latter if need be. Just use whatever account you normally use and let us know if you have any problems doing the steps mentioned just above this paragraph.



Now to speak to the post that you made while I was writing this novel of a post:
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by GrayGhost2 View Post
I suspect I am going to need a "Account Recovery Disc"

Am I too late if I don't already have one ?
I cannot login as administrator.

EDIT:
Can I make a "Recovery Disc" on my clean Windows 7 32bit PC
and use the CD to fix the Windows 7 64bit PC
Please stop working on this and try the steps in the tutorial that I've detailed above. We can answer your questions pertaining to various accounts later. You do not need the built-in administrator account enabled in order to do the steps mentioned in my novel above. It already sounds like the one normal user account has the rights that it needs to get things done.
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04 Apr 2013   #8

XP/7x32-x64/8x64
 
 

Hi UsernamesIssues,

Thank for the enormous effort you have put into this problem I have.
I am so impressed with everyones efforts.

It is past my bedtime 9:45pm (I am recovering from tongue and throat cancer) so I run out of puff very quickly sometimes.

Just wanted to acknowledge you before another 24 hours disappears.

Regards
Russell
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04 Apr 2013   #9

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 

GrayGhost2,

See if the following works for you and gets rid of your looking at WD every time you boot...

Please download: CCleaner - Standard
Double-click the program icon to install it.

Once installed, at the program console, on the left panel, go to: Tools
At the next window, click: Startup

Is the following entry present:
C:\Program Files\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe -hide

If there, click: Delete

Close out of CCleaner.

If Windows Defender is enabled, it should not show up every time you boot.

Let us know.

If the entry above is not present, do you see a Windows Defender entry? If so, what path does it show?

If you like, use the Snipping tool to post an image of the entry found.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/274797-disk-management-post-screen-capture-image.html


Quote:
not connected to internet
You are posting here, so you had to go on the Internet, if not on your computer, on another one.

If you do not use your pc to connect to the Internet, download CCleaner to a USB pendrive in another computer, and, then move the setup file to the Desktop of the computer that is not connected.
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04 Apr 2013   #10

W7 home premium 32bit
 
 
not connected

NOT CONNECTED TO INTERNET
everyone seems to have missed this statement
WD is part of the windows update function BITS etc.

if he does not use the internet???
how(why) did he post!!!
easiest way turn off in action centre

Roy
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