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Windows 7: IE Hacker Problem

01 May 2014   #41
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

pappi are you reading our post.
They more than give lay terms of the differences between anti malware and anti virus programs and suggestion.

NOW if you want to know the differences of the inner workings and the differences, well you will have to do years of research and studding.
The firms have hundreds of hours if not thousands of hours with many employes working with professional trained personnel just to create and keep updated anti malware and anti virus programs.

At times their is a overlap in a anti virus and anti malware program on what they detect but it does not make them the same...

Their has never been a perfect way of stopping all infection other than never turn your computer on. Their has never been a perfect program to use and their never will be. To many bad guys.


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01 May 2014   #42
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
...what does an AV(like Norton) do that MBAM Pro does not do?...
AV apps catch older bad files.
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02 May 2014   #43
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[QUOTE=Layback Bear;2764843]pappi are you reading our post.
They more than give lay terms of the differences between anti malware and anti virus programs and suggestion.

I read all posts including those more meant to denigrate than answer the question relevantly. I also read many blogs on this matter in the internet and got no clear answer until I ran into this article:

The Difference Between Antivirus and Anti-Malware (and Which to Use)

Basically, it delineates what seems to be the difference between what is considered by many as AV and Anti-malware.

In the beginning there was only one malicious invader which was aptly named Virus (for being like human virus... self-replicating). And the resulting products made to combat them and protect users were simply against the virus, hence the name Anti-Virus. Later, malicious ware other than virus cropped up...worms, Trojans, spyware, etc. Together with virus, they are collectively called MALWARE. And so the more modern AV's cover not only viruses but non-viral malware but maintained their name AV. MBAM also covers both viruses and non-viral malware, and never get the anti-virus name. but is considered the best against non-viral malware, hence its distinctive nomenclature, ANTI-MALWARE. The older viruses are considered of less concern (pretty much like smallpox virus) and so MBAM ditched its coverage against senile viruses. Considering that modern viruses are the minority among malware, anti-malwares have concentrated on non-viral malware. In effect, there are so much overlaps between AV's and anti-malwares such as MBAM. The only clear distinction being Anti-malwares such as MBAM have no coverage against senile viruses and AV's not at par with MBAM against non-viral malware. And because no single AV provides protection against all non-viral malware and Anti-malwares have ditched protection against aging viruses, it is recommended that both products are utilized for more comprehensive security measures.

And then there are some pundits who claim, with firewall and intelligent computing, there is no need for either AV or Anti-malware. Good grief!
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02 May 2014   #44
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
Maybe if I pose the question differently: If MBAM Pro (not the free version) is all I have against infection, am I considered vulnerable and therefore I need to install another product that everybody calls AV(like Norton)?

If the answer is yes, my next question...conceding that MBAM is NOT an AV, is: what does an AV(like Norton) do that MBAM Pro does not do? And I am not being obstinate. I really do not know. I need an education in plain English....from those who have higher computing skills.
I would say yes... but let's research this together.

Does Malwarebyte's website state that MBAM protects against a file that infects* Operating System (OS) files?

*where the original bad file changes an OS file in a way that makes the OS file do bad things.
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02 May 2014   #45
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[QUOTE=UsernameIssues;2765181]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
Maybe if I pose the question differently: If MBAM Pro (not the free version) is all I have against infection, am I considered vulnerable and therefore I need to install another product that everybody calls AV(like Norton)?
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post

If the answer is yes, my next question...conceding that MBAM is NOT an AV, is: what does an AV(like Norton) do that MBAM Pro does not do? And I am not being obstinate. I really do not know. I need an education in plain English....from those who have higher computing skills.
I would say yes... but let's research this together.

Does Malwarebyte's website state that MBAM protects against a file that infects* Operating System (OS) files?

*where the original bad file changes an OS file in a way that makes the OS file do bad things.[/QUOTE]

I have my own experience with malware that did infect my OS so badly that I had to do factory image installation with Recovery discs. This might infer that MSE's real protection failed to detect and block the malware but free version of MBAM detected as two Trojans. However, even after automatic removal of infected files, the damage had been done that resulted in recurrent BSOD's and difficulties in booting, especially cold boots. And I never found out what the BSOD's were about since I could not open the dump files.

I don't know if this experience is relevant to what you suggest we research together. I cannot research what I have no clue about.(In other words, I do not know what you mean.)

That brought to mind a question in hindsight, "Had I employed MBAM Pro, with its real time protection, could this two Trojans been detected and blocked in time to prevent OS damage?"
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02 May 2014   #46
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Pappi it's nice to see you have been doing some research.
Does this seem to be a true statement from my post #41?

Quote:
At times their is a overlap in a anti virus and anti malware program on what they detect but it does not make them the same...
Have you installed the new KBxxxxx from Microsoft for I.E.?
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02 May 2014   #47
pappi

 

It's a bit of semantic matter because both have same coverage (except for senile viruses which are still covered by AV's and ditched by MBAM). And because AV's are better against viruses-old and new, they are called AV. Similarly, because anti-malwares, such as MBAM are far better than AV's in non-viral malware coverage, (despite it being also anti-viral, albeit, just the new ones), they acquire a distinctive name of Anti-malware. But in essence both AV's and Anti-malwares are both anti-virus and anti-malware. So there, it seems I was right all along.

I knew about that update days ago before it went "must-do" installation through windows update.

The moment I got alarmed by homeland security, I visited MS support website in search of possible updates that I might have missed. And there it was among free downloads under Internet Explorer panel...but as I understood it, it was mostly for IT's who do advanced stuffs that I know I don't. And it was released also to correct crashing issues caused by a critical update on April 8th. I am no IT and don't do what IT's do and I was not having crashing issues. Thus, I did not bother to install.
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02 May 2014   #48
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

I do not think that you will find any place on Malwarebyte's website where they claim to protect against files-that-infect-other-files (i.e. viruses). Protecting a-computer against that type of bad-file usually requires a type of file-filtering that MBAM does not use. If MBAM did use that type of file-filtering, then it could not be installed along side of AV-tools.

I'm pretty sure that the info stated above is correct, but if you could find a list of the infection names that Malwarebytes protects against, I might be able to confirm the info above for us. Here is one such list for Symantec (Norton). Here is a forum post where a MBAM user asks for a detailed list. If you can find that list or ask the question again on the MBAM forum, then we can know more about the differences between MBAM and AV-apps.


To answer your question about the Trojans: yes, MBAM Pro probably would have caught/stopped the Trojan.
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02 May 2014   #49
UsernameIssues

W7 Pro SP1 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
Me too. But this update has nothing to do with the Hacker's red alert, no? I thought this update is to prevent crashing caused by 2929437 update of April 8th.
There were several updates released on 01 May.
They all attempted to fix the same flaw in IE.
Here is some info on one of the patches KB2964358:
Quote:
Known issues with this security update

  • Internet Explorer will crash if you try to install this security update on a Windows 7-based system that does not already have security update 2929437 installed. To avoid this issue, take either of the following actions:
    • Install security update 2929437, and then install security update 2964358. For more information about security update 2929437, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 2929437 (Description of the security update for Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: April 8, 2014 )
      Description of the security update for Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: April 8, 2014
    • Install security update 2964444 instead of security update 2964358. Security update 2964444 is intended for systems that do not have security update 2929437 installed.
If you do not have KB2929437 installed, then you should install KB2964444:
Download Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 8.1 (KB2964444) from Official Microsoft Download Center



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
It's a bit of semantic matter because both have same coverage (except for senile viruses which are still covered by AV's and ditched by MBAM). And because AV's are better against viruses-old and new, they are called AV. Similarly, because anti-malwares, such as MBAM are far better than AV's in non-viral malware coverage, (despite it being also anti-viral, albeit, just the new ones), they acquire a distinctive name of Anti-malware. But in essence both AV's and Anti-malwares are both anti-virus and anti-malware. So there, it seems I was right all along.
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We are not finished researching yet. Please don't declare yourself right just yet.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pappi View Post
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I knew about that update days ago before it went "must-do" installation through windows update.

The moment I got alarmed by homeland security, I visited MS support website in search of possible updates that I might have missed. And there it was among free downloads under Internet Explorer panel...but as I understood it, it was mostly for IT's who do advanced stuffs that I know I don't. And it was released also to correct crashing issues caused by a critical update on April 8th. I am no IT and don't do what IT's do and I was not having crashing issues. Thus, I did not bother to install.
Can you please find that webpage again and provide us a link?
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02 May 2014   #50
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