Is EFS secure?

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  1. Posts : 179
    Windows 7 Professional
       #1

    Is EFS secure?


    Since the encryption certificate is stored on the computer, all you have to do is connect the hard drive to another computer to get access to the certificate and decrypt all of the files. Not true?
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  2. Posts : 686
    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate SP1
       #2

    Not true.
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  3. Posts : 179
    Windows 7 Professional
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Why not? Any administrator can delete a normal user's password and gain entry.
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  4. Posts : 1,557
    XP, Seven, 2008R2
       #4

    Cluent said:
    Why not? Any administrator can delete a normal user's password and gain entry.
    The encryption is based on the user's password, so if you reset a user's password he will not be able to decrypt his or her data.
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  5. Posts : 179
    Windows 7 Professional
    Thread Starter
       #5

    There is no need to reset the password. If you attach the hard drive to another computer you can simply navigate to the encryption certificate. I haven't tried this.

    Also, if you export the certificate you don't need the password. Are you sure the certificate is tied to the password?
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  6. Posts : 1,557
    XP, Seven, 2008R2
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    Cluent said:
    There is no need to reset the password.
    Then why did you mention it?

    Cluent said:
    Are you sure the certificate is tied to the password?
    Positive.
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  7. Posts : 159
    Windows Vista Business / Windows 7 Ultimate
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    Its secure, but obviously not as good as using an Enterprise Certficate Authority.
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  8. Posts : 1,557
    XP, Seven, 2008R2
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    True. People at NSA will have no trouble cracking EFS.
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  9. Posts : 5,642
    Windows 10 Pro (x64)
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    sup3rsprt said:
    True. People at NSA will have no trouble cracking EFS.
    They would not be cracking EFS, they would crack the supporting systems. But cracking EFS would require a means of cracking AES. And if AES is cracked....well there are bigger problems then.

    Btw for the original question:
    Decrypting files using the local Administrator account

    ...

    In Windows XP and later, there is no default local Data Recovery Agent and no requirement to have one. Setting SYSKEY to mode 2 or 3 (syskey typed in during bootup or stored on a floppy disk) will mitigate the risk of unauthorized decryption through the local Administrator account. This is because the local user's password hashes, stored in the SAM file, are encrypted with the Syskey, and the Syskey value is not available to an offline attacker who does not possess the Syskey passphrase/floppy.

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    Files encrypted with EFS can only be decrypted by using the RSA private key(s) matching the previously-used public key(s). The stored copy of the user's private key is ultimately protected by the user's logon password. Accessing encrypted files from outside Windows with other operating systems (Linux, for example, or even another instance of Windows) is not possible...Further, using special tools to reset the user's login password will render it impossible to decrypt the user's private key and thus useless for gaining access to the user's encrypted files.
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  10. Posts : 1,557
    XP, Seven, 2008R2
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    logicearth said:
    But cracking EFS would require a means of cracking AES.
    Only with extremely strong passwords, assuming EFS has no inherent flaws which is probably not the case.

    What you've just quoted is basically everything I rapped up in a nutshell.
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