| Windows 7: MSE gives big problem!! Sysnative |
10 Nov 2009
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Denmark |
MSE gives big problem!! Sysnative After installed Microsoft Security Essentials, I have got a huge folder in my Windows-folder (abot 3,8 Gbyte), that I can't get rid of again. The name of the folder is Sysnative and there are no attribbutes or date/time on it. I can read it, but that's it. Then I tried the "take ownership.reg" from this forum, and I got permission to delete few of the files, but that was NOT a good idea. Some system-files could not run after this, f.i. cmd.exe could not start (error 0x00000154).
I have now restored back to before I have deleted the files, but how do I get rid of this big folder again? It did not help to uninstall MSE.
Do I really have to clean install Windows 7 again? | My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel E6850 3,0 running 3,6 Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte DS4 P35 Memory 2x2 and Gb Corsair PC6400 CAS5 - 4GB total Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce 260GTX Sound Card Creative X-Fi Fata1ty Gamer Extreme Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 2493hm Screen Resolution 1920*1200 Keyboard Logitech G15 (blue backlight) Mouse Logitech G5 laser PSU Zahlman 850HP Case Shg Cooling Evo 120 Hard Drives Intel X25-M SSD for system
2x 1Tb Samsung F1 as seperate discs Internet Speed 25/25 mbit Other Info 1 Samsung SATA dvd-burner
1 LiteOn SATA dvd-burner |
10 Nov 2009
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 Pembroke |

Quote: Originally Posted by Sven After installed Microsoft Security Essentials, I have got a huge folder in my Windows-folder (abot 3,8 Gbyte), that I can't get rid of again. The name of the folder is Sysnative and there are no attribbutes or date/time on it. I can read it, but that's it. Then I tried the "take ownership.reg" from this forum, and I got permission to delete few of the files, but that was NOT a good idea. Some system-files could not run after this, f.i. cmd.exe could not start (error 0x00000154).
I have now restored back to before I have deleted the files, but how do I get rid of this big folder again? It did not help to uninstall MSE.
Do I really have to clean install Windows 7 again?  I've never had that happen to me. I've been using MSE since its public (then not so public) beta, now I'm using the Ongoing beta builds.
I wouldn't know what to do to get rid of it, its a bit odd it appeared in the first place. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom | Whitebox OS Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 CPU Intel E6750 @ 3.80GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L (Revision 1.1) Memory 2x2GB & 2x1GB (6GB) OCZ Reaper 1066MHz @ 1080MHz Graphics Card EVGA nVidia GTX 260 896mb (216 Core) FTW Edition Sound Card Realtek ALC888 Monitor(s) Displays 21" VIZIO TV Screen Resolution 1680x1050 @ 60Hz Keyboard Logitech Wireless S520 Mouse Logitech Wireless S520 - Microsoft Wireless Arc Mouse PSU Corsair 750W Case NZXT Nemesis Elite Cooling Thermaltake SpinQ Hard Drives Western Digital WD6401AALS - 640GB
Hitachi HDP725016GLA380 - 160GB Internet Speed Download: 20mbps, Upload: 3mbps |
10 Nov 2009
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Denmark |
Well, if it is not MSE I really don't know what it might be, and why some Windows systemfiles can't run if I manage to delete about 5 Mbytes of the total. As written no dates, no atribbutes, no owner, I can't take control over the rest (and that does not matter as Windows can't run properly, if something is deleted anyway).
This is Microsoft's explanation of this, but I don't get the meaning of it:
32-bit applications can access the native system directory by substituting %windir%\Sysnative for %windir%\System32. WOW64 recognizes Sysnative as a special alias used to indicate that the file system should not redirect the access. This mechanism is flexible and easy to use, therefore, it is the recommended mechanism to bypass file system redirection. Note that 64-bit applications cannot use the Sysnative alias as it is a virtual directory not a real one. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel E6850 3,0 running 3,6 Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte DS4 P35 Memory 2x2 and Gb Corsair PC6400 CAS5 - 4GB total Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce 260GTX Sound Card Creative X-Fi Fata1ty Gamer Extreme Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 2493hm Screen Resolution 1920*1200 Keyboard Logitech G15 (blue backlight) Mouse Logitech G5 laser PSU Zahlman 850HP Case Shg Cooling Evo 120 Hard Drives Intel X25-M SSD for system
2x 1Tb Samsung F1 as seperate discs Internet Speed 25/25 mbit Other Info 1 Samsung SATA dvd-burner
1 LiteOn SATA dvd-burner |
10 Nov 2009
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#4 | | Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 Pembroke |

Quote: Originally Posted by Sven Well, if it is not MSE I really don't know what it might be, and why some Windows systemfiles can't run if I manage to delete about 5 Mbytes of the total. As written no dates, no atribbutes, no owner, I can't take control over the rest (and that does not matter as Windows can't run properly, if something is deleted anyway).
This is Microsoft's explanation of this, but I don't get the meaning of it:
32-bit applications can access the native system directory by substituting %windir%\Sysnative for %windir%\System32. WOW64 recognizes Sysnative as a special alias used to indicate that the file system should not redirect the access. This mechanism is flexible and easy to use, therefore, it is the recommended mechanism to bypass file system redirection. Note that 64-bit applications cannot use the Sysnative alias as it is a virtual directory not a real one. I don't have time to read that thoroughly sorry.
I believe if you boot into safe mode and log in as admin. You can delete it that way. :S
Wish I could be of more help. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom | Whitebox OS Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04 CPU Intel E6750 @ 3.80GHz Motherboard Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3L (Revision 1.1) Memory 2x2GB & 2x1GB (6GB) OCZ Reaper 1066MHz @ 1080MHz Graphics Card EVGA nVidia GTX 260 896mb (216 Core) FTW Edition Sound Card Realtek ALC888 Monitor(s) Displays 21" VIZIO TV Screen Resolution 1680x1050 @ 60Hz Keyboard Logitech Wireless S520 Mouse Logitech Wireless S520 - Microsoft Wireless Arc Mouse PSU Corsair 750W Case NZXT Nemesis Elite Cooling Thermaltake SpinQ Hard Drives Western Digital WD6401AALS - 640GB
Hitachi HDP725016GLA380 - 160GB Internet Speed Download: 20mbps, Upload: 3mbps |
10 Nov 2009
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Sounds like it has something to do with making 32bit apps work on a 64bit system. Not really a folder with files but rather a junction point (folder redirection) pointing to a system folder. I would say you should not try to delete it! File System Redirector (Windows) | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number ultraplanet - model 23 OS Windows 7 CPU P4 3.0 HT Motherboard Intel DQ965GF Memory 4 gigs of Crucial DDR2 Graphics Card nVidia GeForce 7800GT 256MB 256-bit w/ ACCELS1 Rev 2 Sound Card on board Monitor(s) Displays HP 2509m Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Mouse see keyboard PSU 650 watt Case Antec Cooling Cool Master Hard Drives 2x 320gb Seagate Barracuda's - SATA 3Gbit/s - RAID-0 array Internet Speed comcast cable Other Info 7 Ultimate and 7 Pro twice each at home - Gigabit on the Network - Tomato on the Linksys - I freely share my wireless with my neighbors (8-10 additional devices) |
10 Nov 2009
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I have to ask...what in the world are you doing deleteing files in C:\Windows? Never ever do that without thorough evaluation! Even then do not delete files from the Windows directory! C:\Windows\Sysnative is for 32-bit application to access C:\Windows\System32 on 64-bit editions of Windows otherwise they are redirected to C:\Windows\SysWOW64.
I hope you have a restore point...otherwise...try a repair install then a full reinstall if that doesn't work. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) |
10 Nov 2009
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sven After installed Microsoft Security Essentials, I have got a huge folder in my Windows-folder (abot 3,8 Gbyte), that I can't get rid of again. The name of the folder is Sysnative and there are no attribbutes or date/time on it. I can read it, but that's it. Then I tried the "take ownership.reg" from this forum, and I got permission to delete few of the files, but that was NOT a good idea. Some system-files could not run after this, f.i. cmd.exe could not start (error 0x00000154).
I have now restored back to before I have deleted the files, but how do I get rid of this big folder again? It did not help to uninstall MSE.
Do I really have to clean install Windows 7 again?  .
Look here for information about the sysnative directory. Selectively suppress Wow64 filesystem redirection on Vista x64 with ‘Sysnative’ Nynaeve | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 x64 CPU Athlon ii x4 620 Motherboard Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2P Memory 4 GB Graphics Card Geforce 9600 512meg Sound Card Xonar DS Hard Drives Hitachi Deskstar 1 tb |
11 Nov 2009
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Denmark |
Well, mine Sysnative does not behaive like it is described in your links. I now know why NOT to delete any files in it (systemrestore corrected it), but not for the reasons mentioned. My system32 and my sysWOW64 is now including EXACTLY the same files, versions and dates, but I don't know if this are the 32bit or the 64bit versions, and Sysnative now holds the other version, so I have 3 folders where should only be 2. And yes, _my_ version of sysnative is a real folder, taking up hdd-space, and so are both system32 and sysWOW64.
Seems like I will have to do a clean install again this weekend, but I'm annoyed about not knowing where it went wrong. I will buy a program to make systemdisc-images (ghost or .. ??), and then test from scrap on again.
Deleting a hole system folder is way over my head! | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU Intel E6850 3,0 running 3,6 Ghz Motherboard Gigabyte DS4 P35 Memory 2x2 and Gb Corsair PC6400 CAS5 - 4GB total Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce 260GTX Sound Card Creative X-Fi Fata1ty Gamer Extreme Monitor(s) Displays Samsung 2493hm Screen Resolution 1920*1200 Keyboard Logitech G15 (blue backlight) Mouse Logitech G5 laser PSU Zahlman 850HP Case Shg Cooling Evo 120 Hard Drives Intel X25-M SSD for system
2x 1Tb Samsung F1 as seperate discs Internet Speed 25/25 mbit Other Info 1 Samsung SATA dvd-burner
1 LiteOn SATA dvd-burner |
11 Nov 2009
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Open up a command promp, travel to C:\Windows then issue DIR. Junctions will be flagged with <JUNCTION> instead of <DIR>. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Alienware Aurora ALX R4 OS Windows 7 x64 (SP1) CPU Intel Core i7-3930K (3.2GHz, Turbo 4GHz) Motherboard Alienware Aurora-R4 x79 Memory 4x Samsung 4GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (16GB 1600MHz) Graphics Card Nvidia Geforce GTX 690 (Stock) Sound Card RealTek Integrated Audio Monitor(s) Displays Dell UltraSharp U3011 Screen Resolution 2560x1600 Other Info Dell Inspiron Mini 10v (Intel Atom N270 1.6 GHz; 1GB; Windows 7 Ultimate) MSE gives big problem!! Sysnative problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:23 PM. | |