| Windows 7: MSE - obsoletes other free AV, mal/spyware programs? |
25 Nov 2009
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit |
MSE - obsoletes other free AV, mal/spyware programs? I'm running Win 7 64 bit. On my previous systems, I generally rely on the following 3 free utilities for system protection:
- Avira AntiVir
- Spybot Search and Destroy
- Ad-aware
I've heard a lot of good things about Microsoft Security Essentials, and at least as a AV tool it's up there with Avira, Avast, etc. But how about its effectiveness as a malware / spyware blocker, detector, and remover?
Can it safely replace all 3 of the aforementioned products? Or should I use something else in conjunction with MSE? | My System Specs |
| OS Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit |
25 Nov 2009
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#2 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64/x86 Windows 7 Pro x64/x86 Windows 7 Home Premium x64/x86 |
MSE looks good so far. But I remember Onecare. I am testing MSE but so far I trust nothing as much as I trust ESET.
MSE proves at least "as" effective I will start useing it. Untill I see solid proof I got to stick with the winner. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number I trust nobody! OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64/x86 Windows 7 Pro x64/x86 Windows 7 Home Premium x64/x86 CPU Intel C2Q 9650 Motherboard Intel Memory 8GB DDR2800 Corsair Graphics Card NVIDIA 260 GTX Sound Card Onboard Monitor(s) Displays Dell 2409w Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Microsoft Mouse Razer PSU 600 Watt FSP Group Case Antec Cooling Fresh Air Hard Drives 10 of em! Internet Speed Fast enough |
25 Nov 2009
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 |
Use MSE along with SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard! You can eliminate Spybot s&d and Ad-aware. SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard: http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/ Spyware Guard is a real-time malware scanner Update SpywareBlaster often and be sure that you've checked "Enable all Protection" | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Bruce ... somewhere in his 40's OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2400 MHz Motherboard INTEL/D975XBX2 Memory 4 GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 914v Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Mouse PSU Rocketfish 700 W Case G.Skill Gigabyte Chassis Hard Drives 2/500GB each ... ST3500630AS ATA Device.
One is not connected Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Avira Internet Security Browser IE 9 Other Info ATI HDMI Audio |
26 Nov 2009
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#4 | | Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit) Mumbai, India |

Quote: Originally Posted by trale I'm running Win 7 64 bit. On my previous systems, I generally rely on the following 3 free utilities for system protection:
- Avira AntiVir
- Spybot Search and Destroy
- Ad-aware
I've heard a lot of good things about Microsoft Security Essentials, and at least as a AV tool it's up there with Avira, Avast, etc. But how about its effectiveness as a malware / spyware blocker, detector, and remover?
Can it safely replace all 3 of the aforementioned products? Or should I use something else in conjunction with MSE? Im sure it can replace avira but it cant replace spybot and ad aware. The anti spyware part of MSE is still weak. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Samsung NP530U4B-S02IN OS Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit) CPU Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 2467M (1.60GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) Motherboard Samsung Electronics Memory 6GB DDR3 System Memory at 1,333MHz (on BD 4GB + 2GB x 1) Graphics Card AMD Radeon™ HD7550M 1GB DDR3 (Ext. Graphic) Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 35.56cm (14.0) SuperBright 300nit HD LED Display Screen Resolution 1366x768 Hard Drives 1TB S-ATA II Hard Drive (5400RPM) with ExpressCache 16GB SSD Internet Speed sucks Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome (Sync enabled) |
26 Nov 2009
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 |
That said (above) with my suggestion, you may want to download and run a 'stand alone' free anti-spyware program, to scan periodically ....
either MalwareBytes' AntiSpyware |MG| Malwarebytes Anti-Malware 1.41 Download
or SuperAntiSpyware SUPERAntiSpyware.com | Remove Malware | Remove Spyware - AntiMalware, AntiSpyware, AntiAdware! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Bruce ... somewhere in his 40's OS Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit SP1 CPU Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2400 MHz Motherboard INTEL/D975XBX2 Memory 4 GB Graphics Card ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro Monitor(s) Displays Samsung SyncMaster 914v Screen Resolution 1280 x 1024 Keyboard Standard PS/2 Keyboard Mouse Microsoft PS/2 Mouse PSU Rocketfish 700 W Case G.Skill Gigabyte Chassis Hard Drives 2/500GB each ... ST3500630AS ATA Device.
One is not connected Internet Speed DSL Antivirus Avira Internet Security Browser IE 9 Other Info ATI HDMI Audio |
26 Nov 2009
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#6 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |

Quote: Originally Posted by Dinesh 
Quote: Originally Posted by trale I'm running Win 7 64 bit. On my previous systems, I generally rely on the following 3 free utilities for system protection:
- Avira AntiVir
- Spybot Search and Destroy
- Ad-aware
I've heard a lot of good things about Microsoft Security Essentials, and at least as a AV tool it's up there with Avira, Avast, etc. But how about its effectiveness as a malware / spyware blocker, detector, and remover?
Can it safely replace all 3 of the aforementioned products? Or should I use something else in conjunction with MSE? Im sure it can replace avira but it cant replace spybot and ad aware. The anti spyware part of MSE is still weak.
Hi Dinesh -- this is where the server version Frontside Client Security works really well - even on a stand alone client computer. Spy and MALWARE is where this program excels and will only get better and better.
Virus detection is usually an "after the fact" activity since most viruses don't actually do anything until you execute something -- usually a program downloaded from the web or play music with embedded trojans. On this score MS does at least as well as any other one in detecting bad running programs.
As far as adpopups etc are concerned -- these are --while annoying-- legitimate programs which isn't the job of a "virus" preventer -- and in this case Yes do use a 3rd party ad / popup blocker.
People get confused with what actually infects a machine and what are just irritants. By building in the ad / popup blocker into AV software really just bloats it and introduces errors.
Leave this stuff to proper programs to handle this and concentrate on letting the av software do what it SHOULD be designed to do -- stopping infections on getting on to your machine in the first place.
The Microsoft Database is updated sometimes as much as 4 times in a single day and it has very easy tools for monitoring whats actually running on your machine, Winsock connections - important to see network inflitration attempts - and start up program management.
To load on a stand alone non server (or workstation) machine download the software , get into an elevated DOS prompt and change the directory to the CLIENT and install with /NOMOM parameter. You can also install in this manner on say a HOME server machine too.
Cheers
jimbo | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up |
26 Nov 2009
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#7 | | Windows 7 Professional 64-bit |
I find that malware bytes never finds anything (except the initial microsoft false positive) whereas other programs do. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number self built OS Windows 7 Professional 64-bit CPU Intel E8400 3GHz Motherboard Intel DX48BT2 Memory Kingston PC3-10700H 4Gb Graphics Card XFX Radeon HD 5850 BlackEd. Sound Card Asus Xonar DG Monitor(s) Displays 2x Samsung SM-T220HD 22" Screen Resolution 1680x1050 on two monitors Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve USB Mouse Razer Diamondback 3G PSU Thermaltake ToughPower 850w Case Thermaltake Armor Cooling Scythe Mugen II Hard Drives OCZ Vertex 2 120gb 3.5" (OS)
Seagate Momentus XT 500gb
Samsung F3 1Tb (games)
2x Samsung F1 1Tb Internet Speed 8128/443 |
26 Nov 2009
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#8 | | |
I use Avira Premium Suite 2009. No problems yet! | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number HomieJunker OS W7 Prof x64 CPU i7 965 Motherboard Asus Rampage II Extreme Memory 6GB Corsair 1866 Tri-Channel Graphics Card Evga GTX480 Sound Card SupremeFX X-Fi mini card Monitor(s) Displays LG W2600H-PF 26" Screen Resolution 1920 x 1200 Keyboard Logitech Illuminated Mouse Logitech 518 PSU Corsair H1000X Case Lian-Li A77B Cooling Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme-1366 RT w/2000RPM fan Hard Drives 5 Seagate Satas ST3250310NS
2 Intel® X25-M 160GB Internet Speed Fios 25/25 Other Info 4 1600RPM case fans, 1 2000RPM inline with cpu 2000RPM fan |
26 Nov 2009
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#9 | | Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit) Mumbai, India |

Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 
Quote: Originally Posted by Dinesh 
Quote: Originally Posted by trale I'm running Win 7 64 bit. On my previous systems, I generally rely on the following 3 free utilities for system protection:
- Avira AntiVir
- Spybot Search and Destroy
- Ad-aware
I've heard a lot of good things about Microsoft Security Essentials, and at least as a AV tool it's up there with Avira, Avast, etc. But how about its effectiveness as a malware / spyware blocker, detector, and remover?
Can it safely replace all 3 of the aforementioned products? Or should I use something else in conjunction with MSE? Im sure it can replace avira but it cant replace spybot and ad aware. The anti spyware part of MSE is still weak.
Hi Dinesh -- this is where the server version Frontside Client Security works really well - even on a stand alone client computer. Spy and MALWARE is where this program excels and will only get better and better.
Virus detection is usually an "after the fact" activity since most viruses don't actually do anything until you execute something -- usually a program downloaded from the web or play music with embedded trojans. On this score MS does at least as well as any other one in detecting bad running programs.
As far as adpopups etc are concerned -- these are --while annoying-- legitimate programs which isn't the job of a "virus" preventer -- and in this case Yes do use a 3rd party ad / popup blocker.
People get confused with what actually infects a machine and what are just irritants. By building in the ad / popup blocker into AV software really just bloats it and introduces errors.
Leave this stuff to proper programs to handle this and concentrate on letting the av software do what it SHOULD be designed to do -- stopping infections on getting on to your machine in the first place.
The Microsoft Database is updated sometimes as much as 4 times in a single day and it has very easy tools for monitoring whats actually running on your machine, Winsock connections - important to see network inflitration attempts - and start up program management.
To load on a stand alone non server (or workstation) machine download the software , get into an elevated DOS prompt and change the directory to the CLIENT and install with /NOMOM parameter. You can also install in this manner on say a HOME server machine too.
Cheers
jimbo Alright then I'll try it tonight. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Samsung NP530U4B-S02IN OS Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit) CPU Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 2467M (1.60GHz, 3MB L3 Cache) Motherboard Samsung Electronics Memory 6GB DDR3 System Memory at 1,333MHz (on BD 4GB + 2GB x 1) Graphics Card AMD Radeon™ HD7550M 1GB DDR3 (Ext. Graphic) Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 35.56cm (14.0) SuperBright 300nit HD LED Display Screen Resolution 1366x768 Hard Drives 1TB S-ATA II Hard Drive (5400RPM) with ExpressCache 16GB SSD Internet Speed sucks Antivirus Microsoft Security Essentials Browser Google Chrome (Sync enabled) |
26 Nov 2009
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#10 | | W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi Hafnarfjörður IS |
Hi dinesh
After it's initially installed do the following or you'll go round in a loop trying to find out what's wrong.
1) shut it down (right mouse click ===> exit).
2) perform a windows update - this will load the latest version of the program plus access to the malware DB for latest definitions.
3) now you can scan again.
The version on technet needs to be updated but if you run the update from within the program itself you'll be logged in to the WINDOWS CATALOG. This is actually reasonable since the program was essentially designed to be run as a server and updates to clients would be deployed from a server. That's why you'll see the Orange ball in the system tray the first time.
So use WINDOWS UPDATE via the normal system start menu.
Once windows update has been run then the program is updated to the latest level and further updates are carried out just like any other windows component using Windows / Microsoft update.
Now just scan (the ball will be green / grey). (should be unless your machine is infected).
you have to install it from a command prompt even though you mount the DVD / CD image
screenshot enc (run the command prompt as an administrator).
Cheers
jimbo
Last edited by jimbo45; 26 Nov 2009 at 01:47 PM..
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom built OS W7 X-64 RTM,SUSE 11.1, XP PRO SP3 as a VM, VMware ESXi CPU Q9400 QUAD Motherboard P5QL-CM Memory 8GB Graphics Card On Motherborad Sound Card Realtek HD audio Monitor(s) Displays Apple Cinema display Mouse Toshiba wireless laser Hard Drives 4 X 1TB SATA Internet Speed > 20MB up MSE - obsoletes other free AV, mal/spyware programs? problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:26 AM. | |