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11 Apr 2010
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#1 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
WIFI Security I thought that with WPA, SSID, MAC, encryption, etc. that WIFI would be fairly secure, but after reading some pages such as this: Getting Phished: Why SSID Spoofing (Still) Matters - www.wi-fiplanet.com
I'm beginning to have doubts. I'm still waiting on a WIFI adapter to arrive, to complete my WIFI network, but my intent was to have an always on LAN, just for the purpose of giving my secondary computer access to streaming media from the internet, since the location where it shall be does not have a cable outlet. Now, I'm wondering if it is worth the risk?
While I shall continue to use only my primary for online banking and financial transactions, I am wondering if the WIFI needs to be disabled while that is being done? I intend to use RDP or an equivalent program to access the primary from the secondary, but only within the LAN, since I blocked port 3389 to prevent someone on the internet from using it, but that wouldn't stop someone on the WIFI from doing so...would it?
Is it possible to create a truly private ironclad secure WIFI LAN? If so, how? | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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11 Apr 2010
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#2 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 Rednecksville |
It is said that Wireless Security is an oxymoron. In other words, you can never be 100% secure with wireless.
However, you can tighten things down enough that the chance of you getting hacked is virtually nil. I'm sure that the FBI could find a way, if it was important to them, but I doubt you are that suspected.
So do what you can. Block all mac addresses not in your white list, use WPA-2 encryptions, don't broadcast your SSID, but most importantly, if you see a black van by the side of the road near your house, shut down your internet connection. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel i7 2600K OC'd @ 4620 MHz Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V Pro Memory 16GB GSkill Sniper 2133 Mhz (4x4GB) Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked+ Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 2x Acer S273HLbmii 27" Screen Resolution 2 x 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK320 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK320 (wireless) PSU Corsair HW Series 750w (modular) Case Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition Cooling CM Hyper 212+ CPU cooler, 3x 230mm + 1x 140mm case fans Hard Drives 64GB Crucial M4 SSD
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11 Apr 2010
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#3 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
Actually, I know that nothing with a computer is totally failsafe, including a hardwired LAN, but considering the fact that I know so little about WIFI, I really don't know what precautions to take. I think that I understand the ones that you mentioned (doubt that I have to worry about vans...but who knows), but the article that I linked above left me feeling that they would be inadequate. Commercials on TV about people who drive around looking for an insecure WIFI to do their dirty work on reinforces that feeling.
It took me a long time to become relatively comfortable with a regular connection to the internet, but over time I have acquired a degree of confidence with it. I think that the fact that I'm uncertain exactly what gets broadcast and under what circumstances is a large part of my uneasiness. Especially when RDP is involved.
Let's saying that I'm using RDP to watch a movie via the WIFI, does that mean that everything on my primary computer is being broadcast in a fashion that leaves the system vulnerable to a hacker? Even with RDP shutdown, wouldn't a hacker still be able to use his own RDP to do the same thing, even with SSID not being broadcast, only my own computer's MAC addresses being white listed, etc.?
I got the impression from that article, that the most important security aspect is not to be conspicuous or draw attention, by creating an appearance of being too secured. But that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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11 Apr 2010
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#4 | | Windows 7 Professional x64 Rednecksville |
He could always use his own RDC to log in, but he'd be faced with your Windows password.
While in theory, as long as your signal is in the air, you can be hacked, you are not one of the "unsecured" ones, like my neighbor, who doesn't use encryption at all, or my other one, who uses WEP.
I don't think you have much to worry about. Don't do stuff that would make the Feds come after you, and as always, it's a good idea to keep an eye on your bank account for unusual activity. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom OS Windows 7 Professional x64 CPU Intel i7 2600K OC'd @ 4620 MHz Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V Pro Memory 16GB GSkill Sniper 2133 Mhz (4x4GB) Graphics Card EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked+ Sound Card Realtek High Definition Audio Monitor(s) Displays 2x Acer S273HLbmii 27" Screen Resolution 2 x 1920x1080 Keyboard Logitech MK320 (wireless) Mouse Logitech MK320 (wireless) PSU Corsair HW Series 750w (modular) Case Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Blue Edition Cooling CM Hyper 212+ CPU cooler, 3x 230mm + 1x 140mm case fans Hard Drives 64GB Crucial M4 SSD
Storage: Hitachi 1TB 5400RPM, Samsung 1.5TB 5400RPM Internet Speed 30 Mb/s : 2 Mb/s |
11 Apr 2010
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#5 | | Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit |
There is no 100% but with a strong password without using real words and add other char as well will get you a fairly safe system. For WPA-2 cracking they must run your packets through a dictionary and if the password used is not within, it will not pick it up... To find more info on this visit Back-Track and read a little... GL | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Toshiba Satellite OS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit CPU Pentium(R) Dual-Core T4300 @ 2.10GHz Motherboard Toshiba Model KSWAA - Chipset Intel GL40 Rev 07 Memory 3 GB DDR2 PC2-6400 (400 MHz) Samsung M4 70T2864Q23-CF7 Graphics Card Mobile Intel GMA4500M 32bit OS (64bit OS) dynamically Sound Card Realtek ALC272-GR Software Sound Monitor(s) Displays 16.0" HD TFT with TrueBrite Matrix colour LCD display Screen Resolution 1366 x 768 Keyboard Canadian Bilingual Keyboard 105 keys with 13 Function keys Mouse Touchpad Point device & Lexma USB Mouse Hard Drives FUJITSU MJA2320BH G2-(S2) 320GB (5400RPM) Serial-ATA Internet Speed Walking is Faster Other Info Wireless LAN Realtek RTL89191SE 802.11n PCI-E NIC + a
LAN Realek PCIe FE Family Controller and
TOSHIBA Software Modem |
11 Apr 2010
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#6 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonathan_King He could always use his own RDC to log in, but he'd be faced with your Windows password.
While in theory, as long as your signal is in the air, you can be hacked, you are not one of the "unsecured" ones, like my neighbor, who doesn't use encryption at all, or my other one, who uses WEP.
I don't think you have much to worry about. Don't do stuff that would make the Feds come after you, and as always, it's a good idea to keep an eye on your bank account for unusual activity. Your last statement touches on one of my main concerns. Am I right in thinking that banking and financial transactions should only be done with WIFI totally disabled? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
(** = 2nd rig) |
11 Apr 2010
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#7 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 Doncaster, UK |
I would prefer to do banking and other financial transactions over a wired (Ethernet) link, with the wireless part disabled. If you have no choice but to use the wireless connection, ensure that you are using the maximum possible security. This means using WPA2 and the other features available to you. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Dwarf Dwf/11/2012 OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 CPU Intel Core-i5-3570K 4-core @ 3.4GHz (Ivy Bridge) (OC 4.2GHz) Motherboard ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M Memory 4 x 4GB DDR3-1600 Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B (16GB) Graphics Card 2 x AMD Radeon HD7770 1GB CrossFired (OC 1100MHz/1250MHz) Sound Card Realtek High Definition on board solution (ALC 898) Monitor(s) Displays ViewSonic VA1912w Widescreen (VGA) Screen Resolution 1440x900 Keyboard Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 3000 (USB) Mouse Microsoft Comfort Mouse 3000 for Business (USB) PSU XFX Pro Series 850W Semi-Modular Case Gigabyte IF233 Cooling 1 x 120mm Front Inlet 1 x 120mm Rear Exhaust Hard Drives OCZ Agility 3 SSD 120GB SATA III x2 (RAID 0)
Samsung HD501LJ 500GB SATA II x2
Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 1TB SATA II
Iomega 1.5TB Ext USB 2.0
WD 2.0TB Ext USB 3.0 Internet Speed NetGear DG834Gv3 ADSL Modem/Router (Ethernet) ~4.0 Mb/s (O2) Antivirus Avast! 7.0.1474 Browser IE 9 Other Info Optical Drive: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH10LS30 SATA Bluray
Lexmark S305 Printer/Scanner/Copier (USB)
CTF-430 Tablet & Pen
WEI Score: 7.7/7.9/7.4/7.4/7.9
Asus Eee PC 1011PX Netbook (Windows 7 x86 Starter) |
11 Apr 2010
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#8 | | Windows 7 & Windows Vista Ultimate Upstate NY |
The article referenced, seekermeister, is talking about connecting to public hotspots. You are setting up a home network so will not be accessing "Phony access points (APs) that use spoofed service set identifiers."
Although a couple years old, you may want to read The ABCs of securing your wireless network. Also be sure to use a strong password for your wireless network. Set up a security key for a wireless network. Then, as Jonathan said, any hacker still has to get past the Windows logon. In Network and Sharing, limit any files being shared to public and require a password for access. | My System Specs | | OS Windows 7 & Windows Vista Ultimate |
11 Apr 2010
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#9 | | Windows 7 Professional Fox Creek, AB, Canada |

Quote: Originally Posted by Jonathan_King It is said that Wireless Security is an oxymoron. In other words, you can never be 100% secure with wireless.
However, you can tighten things down enough that the chance of you getting hacked is virtually nil. I'm sure that the FBI could find a way, if it was important to them, but I doubt you are that suspected.
So do what you can. Block all mac addresses not in your white list, use WPA-2 encryptions, don't broadcast your SSID, but most importantly, if you see a black van by the side of the road near your house, shut down your internet connection. 
I like the black van part. lol
I also limited my ip address range to the two devices in the network.
range 192.168.1.64 (being PS3)- 192.168.1.65 (being my PC). Some people might rip on this suggestion, but in my case, with use on LAN limited to pretty much myself, it works well for me, no probs. I will be adding X-Box 360 soon, and just have to allow one more ip allocation ie. 192.168.1.64 to 192.168.1.66
I have dhcp enabled, but have port forwarding setup for a sharing program on the PC and ports forwarded for voice chat and various PS3 required functions, with no worries of ip wandering, AS LONG as I turn the devices on in the proper order, but seeing my PC stays on nearly 24/7 it never loses it's assigned ip and the PS3 automatically takes the only other one available. It has been a few months now and I have not had to mess with my router, or other setting due to ip's not matching, and ports getting screwed up.
This is in a wired setup, but this might be another way to tighten up your security on the wifi as well. If you have many people logging in and out, and need a wider ip range to allow more ip's to be dished out, this might not be for you.
Just a thought, something that is working for me.
Tell me to butt out if I missed the mark here.....lol | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Laptop Acer Aspire 6930 OS Windows 7 Professional CPU Intel Core2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHz Memory 3 GB Graphics Card lowly Intel Express Chipset WHOPPING 64 mb dedicated.LOL Monitor(s) Displays 26" RCA and 40" Haier, and laptop 17" screen Screen Resolution 26":1366X768 40":1920X1080 Laptop Screen: 1366X768 Keyboard Microsoft Intellitype Wireless Multimedia Keyboard 1.1 Mouse Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse 2000 Hard Drives Onboard HDD 300 GB/
Seagate 1TB External HDD/
Verbatim 500 GB External HDD/
Firelite 160 GB USB HDD Other Info Currently using Telus DSL. I currently have a 3.0 connection, but on wait list for 15.0 connection. |
11 Apr 2010
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#10 | | W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE Indian Territory |
Even though there is a dropdown window for choosing the encryption method, the only option that it contains is TKIP + AES. How strong is that? | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number DIY OS W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE CPU Phenom II 1090T w/Noctua NH-D14 /**4400+ X2 w/CM Hyper TX 3 Motherboard ASRock 890FX Deluxe 4/**A8N-SLI Memory 2 x 2GB Patriot PGS34g1600LLKA/**4x1GB Corsair VS Graphics Card EVGA GTX460 SC/**EVGA 8800GTS Sound Card Asus Xonar D2X/**Xonar D1 Monitor(s) Displays Acer X233H, Dell E152FPc /**LG M237-WD Screen Resolution 1920x1080 & 1024x768/**1980x1080 Keyboard Logitech Media USB/**Saitek Eclipse Mouse Cordless Trackman Wheel/**Ditto PSU CM RS600 w/ APC BX1000G/**Antec 500 TP w/ APC BX1000 Case HAF922/**Antec 1040IIB Cooling 3x200mm, 1x140 and 1x120mm/**5x80mm fans Hard Drives WDC 2TB, 1.5TB, 1TB, 500GB,Seagate 500GB , Maxtor 80GB /**500GB Seagate & WDC 1TB Black Internet Speed 3.3Mbps Other Info SB 560 5.1 w/ Sennheiser RS140/**Creative T20 speakers, Dvico FusionHDTV7 Gold RT, Cisco E3000, HP 5510V AIO, Linksys E3000, Belkin F5U237 hub and **F5D8055 adapter
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