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Windows 7: SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System

11 Mar 2011   #279
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 
SSD - Install and Transfer the Operating System

How to Physically Install a SSD and Transfer the Operating System


Introduction

If you never owned an SSD, you have missed something. Yes, they are not cheap, but Dollar per Dollar there...


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30 Apr 2012   #280
alan10

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
When installing an OS on a new or clean SSD/HDD I would recommend disconnecting the data cables of all but the OS drive. Often you may not need to but it avoids the possibility of boot files being installed on a drive other than the OS drive. You don't want this.
Is this because I may be mistaken about which drive is what when using an Installation DVD ?

I am very familiar with the Macrium Boot Recovery CD and can never be mistaken with that.

N.B. Boot CD/DVD either display no drive letters, or use defaults that are unrelated to reality,
BUT years ago I learnt that the hard way and now all partitions have meaningful and distinct labels that tell me the Drive letter under Live Windows and the physical drive and the purpose, e.g.
C_OCZ_System
D_MBR_Data
E_GPT_Extra

I will admit that after getting Windows on the SSD it took a few attempts inside the BIOS to get the Boot order correct.
I think the old original C_MBR_System C:\ booted up at one attempt.

Is there any danger I should be aware of in the future please.

Regards
Alan


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30 Apr 2012   #281
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Alan, when you do a new install on a system with several physical disks, the installer may install the bootmgr on the disk with the lowest port number. That may not be the disk on which you install the system. And since it is not desirable to have the bootmgr on one disk and the system on another disk, we recommend to disconnect all disks except the one on which you install the OS.

Should that ever happen to you, you can move the bootmgr to C:. Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD But many people do not know how to do that.

Btw: There is not such a thing like MBR partition. The MBR resides on the first 512 bytes of any disk. That is a fixed area, but not a partition.
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30 Apr 2012   #282
ICit2lol

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Alan, when you do a new install on a system with several physical disks, the installer may install the bootmgr on the disk with the lowest port number. That may not be the disk on which you install the system. And since it is not desirable to have the bootmgr on one disk and the system on another disk, we recommend to disconnect all disks except the one on which you install the OS.

Should that ever happen to you, you can move the bootmgr to C:. Bootmgr - Move to C:\ with EasyBCD But many people do not know how to do that.

Btw: There is not such a thing like MBR partition. The MBR resides on the first 512 bytes of any disk. That is a fixed area, but not a partition.
Thanks Wolfgang that last bit - it makes sense to me now - as you know I am not one for the intricacies and vagaries of the file system/s
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30 Apr 2012   #283
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

John, the thing is so easy. The BIOS looks for the MBR on the disk that you put first in the BIOS boot sequence. And since the MBR is in a fixed location, it always knows where to look.

Then the MBR looks for THE active partition because that contains the bootmgr. That is why there can only be 1 active partition per disk.

The bootmgr looks at it's collection of BCDs. If there is only one, it will load the OS from the partition to which this BCD points. If there are several BCDs (e.g. in a double or triple boot), it throws up a screen from which you can choose the OS you want to load. It then picks that BCD and goes to the partition where that OS resides and loads it.

As you can imagine, there are more details to it. But that is the general scheme of the booting flow.
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30 Apr 2012   #284
ICit2lol

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
John, the thing is so easy. The BIOS looks for the MBR on the disk that you put first in the BIOS boot sequence. And since the MBR is in a fixed location, it always knows where to look.

Then the MBR looks for THE active partition because that contains the bootmgr. That is why there can only be 1 active partition per disk.

The bootmgr looks at it's collection of BCDs. If there is only one, it will load the OS from the partition to which this BCD points. If there are several BCDs (e.g. in a double or triple boot), it throws up a screen from which you can choose the OS you want to load. It then picks that BCD and goes to the partition where that OS resides and loads it.

As you can imagine, there are more details to it. But that is the general scheme of the booting flow.
Thanks my friend things are beginning to fall into place a bit at last - I really do appreciate yours and the others patience with me as I know I can be rather trying at times.
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30 Apr 2012   #285
alan10

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Btw: There is not such a thing like MBR partition. The MBR resides on the first 512 bytes of any disk. That is a fixed area, but not a partition.
Agreed, but that was not my intention.
Both before and after adding the SSD, I had two HDD.

The smaller secondary HDD was a GPT style which therefore could not be Booted by my motherboard,
and the larger primary HDD was the other sort which could be booted because the various partitions there-in each had an MBR
It was more convenient to use either _MBR_ or _GPT_ to distinguish between which physical drive held each partition.

Regards
Alan
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30 Apr 2012   #286
ICit2lol

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Just as a matter of interest Wolfgang could it be possible to delete the MBR from the HDD with out having to erase / format the whole second drive (HDD)?

That would eliminate the probability of the machine ever booting form that drive.

Or would it be just better to save all the data one needed to another drive and then wipe the HDD?
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30 Apr 2012   #287
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICit2lol View Post
Just as a matter of interest Wolfgang could it be possible to delete the MBR from the HDD with out having to erase / format the whole second drive (HDD)?

That would eliminate the probability of the machine ever booting form that drive.

Or would it be just better to save all the data one needed to another drive and then wipe the HDD?
The MBR gets put there when you in initialize (not format) the disk. There is no easy way to erase it and why would you want to do that anyhow.

To avoid the booting problem you just have to make sure that there are no active partitions on the disk.
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30 Apr 2012   #288
mjf

Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
 
 

You can erase the MBR by wiping the first 512 bytes with a Hex editor like HxD if you feel you have some need to.
>clean
...Inserts MBR boot code and the MBR end bytes 55AA as well as providing the quick clean operation.
>create partition primary
... Inserts MBR partition table information
>active
... will set the active status flag to 08 for the selected partition
> format fs=ntfs quick
... will set the MBR partition type byte to 07. Also generates the file system.

But just to confuse you if you insert a USB flash drive with the MBR wiped Windows will give you a messaging saying that the drive is unformatted and ask if you want it formatted. It will then insert an MBR as well.
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01 May 2012   #289
ICit2lol

Desk1 8 Pro / Desk2 7 Home Prem / Laptop 8.1 Pro all 64bit
 
 

Yeah I was just wondering if the HDD had interfered with the original set up of the SSD and it was/is causing my Load problem with the dots, and would just reinforce it if I connect it again hence remove the MBR form it.

I had thought it may be the RAM was slow to release the OS but memtest came up clean.

I might just try taking some out and boot with just one stick in (4GB) to see what happens as it is truly got me beat for an answer - unless the BIOS or mobo has called it quits
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