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Windows 7: Windows Update - Hide or Restore Hidden Updates

15 Oct 2015   #30

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10

10 isn't a bad OS once you have spend some time with it in comparison to the 8 Flop!
Well Night Hawk I did try it and have still got it on a SSD for my Sandy Bridge and while I agree that it is a whole lot better than the 8 debacle I am still concerned about some of the EULA that involves anyone accessing my machines for any reason whether they have reasons to do so or not in my mind.
Now I have nothing to hide but what does concern me is that I have banking and other personal data on my machines that I don't mind sharing with friends and even the authorities if they gave me reason to look into my data. But for a company like Microsoft to build in a feature that they can use I feel that is a violation of my civil rights. It is if one wants to look at it like a form of malware

I do suspect there are more inclusions in their system that would also make me feel sullied as I have no come back when using Windows 10.

Don't get me wrong because I am no greenie or other undesirable - well I don't think I am but this is a gross misuse of their power, and what's more we end up paying for it!!

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16 Oct 2015   #31

windows 7 professional 64 bit
hiding updates

Hi John, I read through these last posts of you and Nighthawk.

If it is really true that there is an EULA like that in windows 10 ( being able to see all you're personal stuff like banking ) than that would be sure against national and international rules written down in laws and things.

Human Rights of Freedom and Protection and so on, so how can they get away with it.

Also I think that the gross lot of users is NOT AWARE OF THAT.

It was not till I had a major problem with my laptop and ended up here ( being helped great style ) that I started looking into updates and the rest. That was all on automatic

It is with everything in live, the more you know, the more you want to know, which I think is great !
But it always raises questions ......
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16 Oct 2015   #32

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit

Most of the personal info gathering such as login and password relates to Edge browser where it has form fill and auto password remembering keeping you signed in....
Then you get in Onedrive if you use it to sync personal documents like bank statements.....
I personally wouldn't worry about it but the terms apply to the M$ services you use I would guess
Which the terms as far as I can tell are the same as each individual service before 10 was released they are just bundled into win-10 in a way they can be a bit misleading

But then again to find terms of use for non M$ account is like bigfoot
The only service that works that I've noticed without a M$ account is Edge browser and bing desktop search so those will send usage and there might be 1 or 2 apps that work like news.... I deleted most of them so I can't say :/
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16 Oct 2015   #33

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10

Hmm well I posted some time ago now some quotes from that EULA from Leo Notenbooms blog and what I saw put me right off 10in fact I thought it quite dishonest. Now I know we live in a world where ones private stuff is never safe because one only has to look at what that Anonymous group can do and I suppose it just goes to support it really doesn't matter what I do someone somewhere can access my data.
What I do object to is the people who sell us this software could even make use of said software to basically spy on us.
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17 Oct 2015   #34
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64

The urk about 10 isn't about stealing your personal data but how 10 is being jammed down everyone's throat so MS can make the 1 billion pc mark! When called out on how come the supposedly Optional update is automatically checked off MS replied with it simply being a mistake on their part and would be corrected? There are several reports on that one!

Here despite the new reg key and hiding the 10 app the second failed upgrade install wasn't from clicking on the 10 app as seen on Sept. 1st but while the machine was simply left running! The updates are set for the "Let me choose when.." where MS said otherwise at finding the second failure.

Glad I got those two new storage drives since that tosses a monkey wrench into the works positively to prevent any successful unattended upgrade! The next move here now since the "Let me choose.." became "Let MS choose" out of the blue is to simply set it to never check for updates. When running a check manually simply keep a look out for the KB3035583 being the Get 10 app that has now progressed further to Install 10 now.
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17 Oct 2015   #35

windows 7 professional 64 bit

Yes I will do that ! Put it on " never check for updates". And just look now and again what's been offered

Bit safer
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17 Oct 2015   #36

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
The urk about 10 isn't about stealing your personal data but how 10 is being jammed down everyone's throat so MS can make the 1 billion pc mark! .
It's also about how many OEM_SLP's these updates can expose
Every exposed pirate install is one less win-7 statistic to compare 10 too
Very subtle attack plan
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17 Oct 2015   #37

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10

Well I have searched through Leo Notenbooms newsletters and it seems that the quote form the EULA for 10 ins now been taken out by whom? who knows but this is just one quote of many.
It just doesn't sit well with me when something I pay for with my hard earned money can be dictated to be used by the manufacturer in deciding what I can and cannot do with it . I mean what would the citizens of the US say if suddenly all Ford card cars had to be driven on the other side of the road just so they knew which were Ford cars - a ridiculous example I know but no different to saying I have to download and install updates if I don't want to. As for the other features like that hell awful Bing and other "goodies" well I think that 7 does it all and with so much less fuss.
End of rant
It appears that Microsoft insists that all of your data ( not just things like driver issues or bad updates) be available to them for whatever reason they state. They have also built in numerous exploits for Homeland Security to spy on users at will without warrants. I currently use Windows 7 Professional and have been able to install a highly configurable 3rd party firewall to block access from IP addresses at any level I set. I’m concerned that such firewalls won’t work anymore with Windows 10. “Windows firewall” is a joke if you’re serious about real security, it’s a “feel good” app for the uninitiated that is riddled with back doors with no real configuration possible. It also appears that good solid encryption programs will be made impossible to use in this distro. I don’t have anything to hide; criminal or otherwise. I just don’t trust Microsoft or the government with my personal data. We hear time and time again how disgruntled employees and rogue government snoops abuse the working stiff. Not many of the “progressives” or “conservatives” agree with my politics. I am very outspoken about human rights issues and corruption and the direction this country is headed. There are a number of people who would stoop to any level to shut me up. I don’t know why they can’t issue service packs instead of entirely new operating systems. I fully realize it’s all about the money. I’d be willing to bet that a good number of users would gladly pay for extended service packs. Windows 7 is the best yet. I’ve had the opportunity to do clean installs of Windows 8.1. I find it difficult to configure Windows 8.1 as a desktop OS for my customers. My customers all hate Windows 8.1. I’ve had several who requested an OEM copy of Windows 7 Professional and were willing to part with another $100.00 to make their new PC more user friendly. I have a couple of towers sitting around. I may give Windows 10 a try AFTER Service pack 1. It would be nice if Microsoft had the ability to release an OS that works right out-of-the-box; but they don’t and probably never will. These “pre-release candidates” are for suckers! I fell for it when Windows XP was in development. It’s ludicrous to work for Microsoft WITHOUT PAY to fix their blunders. they don’t even offer a discount to the testers. CORPORATE GREED is who they are!
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17 Oct 2015   #38
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64

The Windows firewall is a joke for the most part and one of the reasons I am glad the 3rd party av software here has not only the firewall but web filtering that blocks sites when anything suspect is detected. As far as Windows updates however you shouldn't have to worry about an OS change when going to check up on what's new or worry if left set to automatic.

As far as Homeland Security and other agencies they don't actually need MS to spy on people! Don't forget they can track your every move by way of ISP as well as other means. All they need is to get a keylogger to gain access to things or come in and take your machine away for examination if they have a warrant or reasonable cause for suspicion. Plus you shop online and put your personal data out there! They'll get it if they want to!

And I did finally get around to setting things to never check here since I hate the need to restart the system every other day right when you are in the middle of something and... Oh just another 15 or so need to go on?! When people have had problems over the years with particular updates the first solution was always to set the never check option!
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17 Oct 2015   #39

W7 Pro SP1 64bit

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ICIT2LOL View Post
It just doesn't sit well with me when something I pay for with my hard earned money can be dictated to be used by the manufacturer in deciding what I can and cannot do with it .
If you rent a place to live, there are a number of things that you cannot legally do to/with the rental property.

When you "buy" an operating system from Microsoft, you are buying a license to use the OS. You don't own the OS and the license agreement comes with restrictions on what you can and cannot do to/with the OS.

I'm not defending MS. I'm just offering an analogy other than your Ford one.
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