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Windows 7: Windows Mail

13 Mar 2012   #1090
2dawson

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 2dawson View Post
I have Windows Mail running fine with two exceptions:
1.) No way to update the junk mail database.
2.) Spell check doesn't work, gives ms a language error.

Has anyone solved these problems?
Spelling, I couldn't be without mine that's for sure, mine works works fine...


Thanks, I got the spell check working fine now. Just had to change language to non-English, restart mail, then back to English and start again and it works fine.
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I don't use the Junk Mail filter at all and have it set to Off.

I was curious though about it..

Is this the Junk Filter Update that you mean?

I just took downloaded it and installed it on my Vista box and Software Tracked the entire install File/Registry, I expected to see a lot of changes, but was surprised yet happy to see very few changes at all. The only pertinent file it changed was in C:\Program Files\Windows Mail and it was the OESpamFilter.dat, it changed it from v6.0.6002.18005 to v6.0.6002.18580.
I came over to my 7 box and went to replace mine with it in the same folder, and to my surprise it's not in there, in fact comparing my Vista to 7 folders on each computer in front of me, there's 3 files in 7 that's not there compared to Vista, one of course is that OESpamFilter.dat and the others are OESpamFilter.dll and WindowsMailGaget.exe..

Do you have the first two in your 7 folder?

No, I do not. I had just used the one file from Vista, not the entire directory. I'll play with that now.

Perhaps I don't because I have my 7 Junk Filter set to off from day one.

I was going to give you my updated OESpamFilter.dat file, but now dunno what you got of if even your's ever worked on 7 as is?
I'll try the files from my Vista machine. Thanks for the help.



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13 Mar 2012   #1091
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

PS, I edited my post because I had typed it backwards, but obviously I was meaning to type:
[...] there's 3 files in Vista that's not there in 7 [...]
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13 Mar 2012   #1092
2dawson

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
PS, I edited my post because I had typed it backwards, but obviously I was meaning to type:
[...] there's 3 files in Vista that's not there in 7 [...]
Thanks, I knew what you meant and moved all three files to the Win7 machine. I had already moved the Blocked senders registry entry from the Vista machine and the Junk filter was working but I think the entries in the registry are the ones you add manually, not the ones in the MS .dat file. We'll now see if it appears to pick up junk listed in their database.

Thanks for your help as I had missed those three files. I don't know what the WindowsMailGaget.exe file does but it doesn't appear to hurt anything.
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14 Mar 2012   #1093
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

[QUOTE=2dawson;1837567]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
[...] ..but I think the entries in the registry are the ones you add manually, not the ones in the MS .dat file.
[....]
Not of what was observed on complete tracking the install of that latest definitions file I linked, it Did Not change anything relative in the registry! I just looked over the event again ..all changes were specifically with that .dat file while changing its version from v6.0.6002.18005 to v6.0.6002.18580. I cannot answer however how your junk filter was already working? ..you say it was putting certain worded emails? into the junk folder? ..however note that the Block Senders List entry was already in the WinMailEdit.reg you merged.

I never noticed conversations about this file before but a quick search on this forum showed others talking about the OESpamFilter.dat ..but besides the name being obvious I honestly don't know what the darn thing does, and a quick look at google has the usually bs but if I kept wading through the million converstaions I would find someone who knew what the hell it really does; I have to go back to what was observed on tracking the install though, and seeing is believing. I also extracted the dat and the its subsequent cab contents looking at it all in hex, gosh there were thousands of little files... gotta go do supper with the wife now, see ya dawson...
thanx
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14 Mar 2012   #1094
John Edwards

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
 
 
Windows Mail missing from default programs listing

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by John Edwards View Post

Tangent - did you ever resolve this issue? It's exactly my problem too, so I'd be grateful to know how you did it!
John did you already try what Tangent did?
What happened?
It used to be when OE's Make Default button in email Options> General was greyed out, there was a vbs file an MVP made to set it back, but surly for WM there has to be a same simple way to get it back for you. It's just a MAPI problem and can't be that complicated.

Have you searched Google for some help?

Or This One


Or This One

Endeavour

Many thanks for your suggestion; a Google search produced this Windows Mail missing from the default programs listing which offers a registry entry to download and merge - AND IT WORKS! Brilliant. I didn't think I was going to solve this - it didn't occur to me search under Vista - but of course that's where WM came from! I was worried that it wouldn't work on 64-bit W7 - but it seems fine - so far! THANKS A MILLION TIMES.

By the way, after merging the registry entry, I DO still need to keep WLM marked 'enable access', or else the functionality disappears again and the registry entry needs to be reapplied.

Hope this works for anyone else with this annoying problem.
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14 Mar 2012   #1095
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 
Where is the msoe.dll file

Just trying to help out a friend running Win 7 x64s. However, I am confused with the lack of clarity
Quote:


On the first page it says 3. In Windows Mail folder, take full control of the file "msoe.dll" as follows.
Warning
If running 64bit Windows 7, before carrying out this step, read "Footnote 3" below.




A) [COLOR=#3485BD !important][COLOR=#3485BD !important]Download[/COLOR][/COLOR] and install Take Ownership to add it.

B) Open: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Windows Mail folder ==> Right click: "msoe.dll" file ==> In drop down [COLOR=#3485BD !important][COLOR=#3485BD !important]menu[/COLOR][/COLOR] click: Take Ownership.

*Note 1: If WinMail.exe file is not visible in Windows Mail folder, then apply "Footnote 4" below.

*Note 2: Before proceeding to Step 4, copy and save "msoe.dll" file as back-up for safety.

Am I to copy the downloaded x64 MSOE file and move it to the Windows Mail folder overwriting the existing MSOE file? If so, how do I do this because it won't let me overwrite the folder? Once I do this, do I then take ownership (see footnote 3).
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16 Mar 2012   #1096
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by John Edwards View Post
[....]
...a Google search produced this Windows Mail missing from the default programs listing which offers a registry entry to download and merge - AND IT WORKS! Brilliant...
[....]
Thats really great John glad you got that done.

..and so disecting that reg file from where you got it, the interesting thing is that 99.9% of everything that's in it, is a duplicate of what's Already In Our Own WinMailEdit.reg ...except for one little tiney tiny line: "Hidden"=dword:00000000"

...and so:
Code:
 
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
 
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail\Windows Mail\Capabilities]
"Hidden"=dword:00000000
Brink, if you eyeball this, could you enter that line in the main WinMailEdit.reg file, and let's see I suppose then that updated WinMailEdit.reg needs to go inside EKMantis attachment on his Post ...hmmm, you know actually he's given permission already, and if you had the time to put that up on the First Page tutorial, and maybe write it up saying that one could take the time to read the tutiorial and do steps 1 thru 4 including footnotes the Manual way, or an easier way with a one-click install. ...of course to transfer/import Contacts, Accounts, Emails, etc, from a previous installation that will have to all be done manually following tututorial steps 5 & 6, there's no way around that.

Brink I know you already have enough to do around here already! I see all that you've done ..I don't mean to put more on you, but you're the boss. anyway, we all appreciate what you do.


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16 Mar 2012   #1097
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
Just trying to help out a friend running Win 7 x64s. However, I am confused with the lack of clarity

[....]

Am I to copy the downloaded x64 MSOE file and move it to the Windows Mail folder overwriting the existing MSOE file? If so, how do I do this because it won't let me overwrite the folder? Once I do this, do I then take ownership (see footnote 3).
[....]

You have to take ownership first in order to be able to place the file, and the #3 that you referenced is very clear about it with it's 3a & 3b before going to 4. I thought it was well written considering.
Nevertheless understand there is no one full time tech here like MS has to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, and so be patient with the process and what it is: a many individuals volunteered project (blessing)

Hey Sammy how about if you just go to the EKMantis Post
...and download the attachment from it, unzip it, right-click> Run As Administrator> on your winmail64.bat ...and in that one second it took you to click and merge it - you are done!
(take ownership and each and every one of the steps are done automatically for you, in one click!)

You can read for a few hours and do it all manually if you want...
...or do a one second click and you're done - you choose.

(caveat: as long the OS partition is C:\ which normally 99.99% of the time it is...
...if not then first just Edit the target OS's partition letters inside either the winmail32..or..64.bat file)

Then of course if you're needing to transfer/import Contacts, Accounts, Emails, etc, from a previous installation then that will have to all be done manually following the Tututorial steps 5 & 6, there's no way around that part.


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16 Mar 2012   #1098
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
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You have to take ownership first in order to be able to place the file, and the #3 that you referenced is very clear about it with it's 3a & 3b before going to 4. I thought it was well written considering.

Nevertheless understand there is no one full time tech here like MS has to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed, and so be patient with the process and what it is: a many individuals volunteered project (blessing)

Hey Sammy how about if you just go to the EKMantis Post
...and download the attachment from it, unzip it, right-click> Run As Administrator> on your winmail64.bat ...and in that one second it took you to click and merge it - you are done!
(take ownership and each and every one of the steps are done automatically for you, in one click!)

You can read for a few hours and do it all manually if you want...
...or do a one second click and you're done - you choose.

(caveat: as long the OS partition is C:\ which normally 99.99% of the time it is...
...if not then first just Edit the target OS's partition letters inside either the winmail32..or..64.bat file).
Thanks endeavor, the sequence to me is not in proper chronological order. the take ownership part should be mentioned first. the warning to see footnoote 3 comes next and the warning implies before doing the ownership part, read footnoote 3. it's pretty easy for those who understand the process or have already been through it, but for someone reading the instructions and going step by step it can be confusing . nonethless, i'll try the bat file as u suggested.
Cheers,
Sam
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16 Mar 2012   #1099
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

BTW, I noticed a bug or lack of a feature in this Windows Mail.

The install with the .bat file was seemless! I would suggest the link to the file be included in the first post.

I have several rules set up. I have dozens of folders that I migrated from OE. I have the folder tree closed.

With OE, if any new mail that came in and that was sorted by a rule, the folder will automatically open up. Now, the folder is hidden and I have to open up the main menu of my messages and look down to see which folder has any new email. That's kind of a pain. I guess the only solution is to create a new folder in the local folder?
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