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Windows 7: Windows Mail

17 Mar 2009   #1149
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
Windows Mail

How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7



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04 May 2012   #1150
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

scariest operation you ever done? ..for heavens sake that tutorial process is just copying a few files and a few minor adjustments.

There was no need to do a restore, for what reason? none! ..restore is for big mess ups like installing large programs that you change your mind on or for something that totally messes up your computer! The tasks on the first page tutorial is just copying a few files and a few minor adjustments.

There is no 'save to desktop' event on the the first page tutorial that I see not that it matters, nevertheless, when downloading/saving whatever file it does not matter if you save it to the downloads folder or the desktop, the desktop sometimes can be more convenient is all, and from there you copy the file to where ever you want. This next tidbit although irrelevant, is that on 7 like your XP you can download to your desktop if you want by when the little box appears at the bottom of the page to save a file, click the down arrow on it and click Save As, and here another box comes up and gives you a choice to browse the download location to your desktop, but again this tip is irrelevant to the tutorial task at hand.

All the answers are there to do it manually on the first page and beyond, but if you want to give up then so be it... I don't see how you are going to install the newer WLM and set it up if you can't even do this.

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07 May 2012   #1151
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

This may have been noted elsewhere in the tutorial, but I didn't see it. Anyway - these are minor issues.

The WinEditMail.zip file contains a registry file that helps reinstate Windows Mail.
I perused it before running and found two things that I changed.
  • The recently used addresses
  • Rules - they are German in the file, I changed them to English
The reg file used to change these two is shown below.
Again - these are minor and might have been noted elsewhere.

Quote:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; --------------------------------
; Remove MRU Addrs - WinMail
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses]
"MRUList"=""
"a"=-
"b"=-
"c"=-
"d"=-

; --------------------------------
; Change German to English
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFA]
"Name"=-"Alle Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="All news"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFB]
"Name"=-"Gelesene Nachrichten ausblenden"
"Name"="Hide read messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFC]
"Name"=-"Heruntergeladene Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="Downloaded messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFF]
"Name"=-"Ignorierte/gelesene Nachrichten ausbl."
"Name"="Ignored / read messages"
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08 May 2012   #1152
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

@endeavor, I haven't given up, just had to give my mind & body abit of a break, have a couple health issues that I was over taxing. Also need to study up some & see if I can try to understand where I went wrong sooo many times in this process. I tried again & failed on Sun. 5/6.

Thanks again.
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08 May 2012   #1153
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
This may have been noted elsewhere in the tutorial, but I didn't see it. Anyway - these are minor issues.

The WinEditMail.zip file contains a registry file that helps reinstate Windows Mail.
I perused it before running and found two things that I changed.
  • The recently used addresses
  • Rules - they are German in the file, I changed them to English
The reg file used to change these two is shown below.

Again - these are minor and might have been noted elsewhere.

Quote:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; --------------------------------
; Remove MRU Addrs - WinMail
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses]
"MRUList"=""
"a"=-
"b"=-
"c"=-
"d"=-

; --------------------------------
; Change German to English
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFA]
"Name"=-"Alle Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="All news"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFB]
"Name"=-"Gelesene Nachrichten ausblenden"
"Name"="Hide read messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFC]
"Name"=-"Heruntergeladene Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="Downloaded messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFF]
"Name"=-"Ignorierte/gelesene Nachrichten ausbl."
"Name"="Ignored / read messages"


Hi Slartybart,
Interesting and good catch in your perusing...
The issue though with you removing your a, b, c, d like that because if it's after the fact and you do it, it removes only the current placeholder of that key, iow, if in WM one had emailed with numerous people after the original reg merge and then you delete those 4 keys "a"=- thru "d"=- with your reg ...you're only removing the current placeholder since the others may have moved down the a-z list in their respective order. The correct way to remove them after the fact is to manually do it from your registry. Any new users that install WinMail from now on and use the new WinMailEdit.reg I've attached to this post will not have this problem. I've also removed the dozen redundant "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00" entries that were scattered within since we only need one at the beginning!

Also Slartybart on your Change German to English ditty, nice peruse btw, but it is to know that even if you merged it originally with the German text like it was, Windows 7 'will' revert it to English after a WM restart anyway, confirmed, and so there is no need for you to change it like you have. Actually after testing it I've found out that even if you typed in complete gibberish in those \FFA \FFB \FFC \FFF registry keys and merged it, and it appears to take, however the next time you open WinMail it automatically reverts to what was hardcoded from MS. At first yes I did think it mattered, but after actually testing it showed me it does not matter what text is put in those particular keys, it will be reverted. I've edited my post.

Anyway fwiw besides the "Recently Used Addresses" entries noted but also the German text entries too, both of which seemed to have been introduced in 2009 on post 159 and then later mirrored in post 292, but it does not matter at all though who inadvertently included these minor issues since we're just appreciative for Everyone's hard work on this entire project over the years, thanks to everyone for that.

Attached is a revised/updated WinMailEdit.reg with these changes above fixed which includes having changed the German to English text entries (even if only for visual reg esthetic value), and also have removed many of someone's personal email addresses value data store from the auto-complete address store key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses" that was inadvertently introduced by the source in the beginning of this project that the links above point to; fyi, you don't see their addresses while editing the original WinMailEdit.reg file unless you convert the data, otherwise you can see it pop up as you type within the "To:" field of your email and you just happen to start with their name ..anyway those emails all have been removed now as it should be. Also has been added the registry change from post 1160 which found the problem since 2009 for some users that had Windows Mail missing from the default programs listing and they could not set Windows Mail as the Default Mail Program - the registry entry to fix that problem is now included in this revised WinMailEdit.reg...

This should now be used in place of the first page tutorial one, or in the EKMantis automated download, in both cases just replace those WinMailEdit.reg files with this one attached below.

WinMailEdit.reg
(Removed Attachment since it's now included in the new tutorial)
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12 May 2012   #1154
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Was hoping to post 'yippie,got it done' because last evening while just looking through different areas of my PC I came across Windows Mail listed in the Set Default Programs in Control Panel but was too tired at that point to concentrate so put off until this morning. So I figured (wrongly of course) the first thing to do before I even click on the Windows Mail short cut still on desktop from my last several tries, would be to go ahead & set it as default but then when I went back to desktop the short cut was gone!, as were a couple or so other areas that I'd seen it listed.
Again am too beat to concentrate on going any farther right now so will get back to it in morning.
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12 May 2012   #1155
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

My windows mail works now, yippee. lol
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
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13 May 2012   #1156
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

I'm fairly certain that "not junk mail" is a per item function. You either need to add the sender to your contacts, safe sender's list, or, as you said, build a rule.

I know safe sender's list is present after you reinstate WinMail. You can see the list in Junk Mail options, l, but I'm not sure if it is functional.

Peace!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
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13 May 2012   #1157
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
Place holder: Poppa Bear's tutorial

This post is an archive of the previous version of the tutorial written by Poppa Bear whuch was used as the base for current version written by Slartybart. The current version of the tutorial incorporates and supersedes all information provided before Post# 1230.

All comments that precede this post are related to Poppa Bear's version and can be disregarded.




information   Information
This will show you how to reinstate and enable Windows Mail into Windows 7 to be able to use it in Windows 7.

Note   Note
Credit for this updated version goes to our member Poppa Bear.

Tip   Tip
General Notes

1. When Windows Mail is first run it should prompt to set Windows Mail as default. If there are any problems setting it as default the following post may help here. In association with this post, it may help to run the attachment SetWinMailDefault.zip.

2. In some environments, having Windows Live Mail installed may cause conflicts, so it may be necessary to remove it.
1. Download and run the attachment: WinMailEdit.zip.

warning   Warning
It is critical to do this before carrying out steps (3) & (4). This auto exe file edits the registry to allow .eml files to be opened on the desktop; removes the WinMail splash screen at start-up; and resolves various conflicts.


2. Remove WinMail.exe attributes to view hidden files.
A) Open: Start Menu ==> All Programs ==> Accessories ==> Run.

B) Type the following code exactly as shown, (or highlight, copy and paste it), into the Run Command box; and then click "OK":

Code:
attrib -s -h "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Mail\WinMail.exe"
3. In Windows Mail folder, take full control of the file "msoe.dll" as follows.
warning   Warning
If running 64bit Windows 7, before carrying out this step, read "Footnote 3" below.


A) Download and install Take Ownership to add it.

B) Open: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Windows Mail folder ==> Right click: "msoe.dll" file ==> In drop down menu click: Take Ownership.

*Note 1: If WinMail.exe file is not visible in Windows Mail folder, then apply "Footnote 4" below.

*Note 2: Before proceeding to Step 4, copy and save "msoe.dll" file as back-up for safety.
4. Download and save the appropriate Vista Windows Mail "msoe.dll" file from the following attachments:
  • 32bit msoe.dll:
download
  • 64bit msoe.dll:
download
A) Open Windows Mail Folder in Windows 7 Program files ==> Paste the Vista "msoe.dll" into it, replacing the existing Windows 7 "msoe.dll".

*Note: If it will not allow the paste, take full control of the Windows 7 "msoe.dll" manually as per "Footnote 1" below, and then paste.

B) Right click: WinMail.exe ==> Send to desktop as a shortcut.

*Note: If email .eml files still cannot be opened on the desktop, it may be necessary to manually edit the registry as per "Footnote 2"
5. To enable Windows Calendar in Windows Mail.
Go to tutorial in this forum.
6. To import Contacts, Accounts, Folders & Emails.
From Vista to Windows 7, go to this post.
Note   Note
Footnotes
1. Manually take full control of files.
  • Right click the file "msoe.dll" ==> Properties ==> Security Tab ==> Advanced ==> Owner Tab ==> Edit ==> Highlight User Name ==> Apply ==> OK ==> OK
  • Under "Security Tab" click: Edit ==> Under "Group or user names", the first entry is highlighted.
  • Under "Permissions for System", tick: "Full Control" ==> Apply ==> Do the same for every entry ==> OK ==> Close.
    *Note: If the option to edit the entries under "Group or user names" is grayed out, take the following steps:
  • Under "Security" tab click: "Advanced" ==> "Change Permissions" ==> Untick: "Include inheritable permissions from this objects parents" ==> Click: "Add" in the pop-up window ==> Apply ==> OK.
  • Return to the security tab and edit to grant full control as shown above.
2. Manually edit the following registry key if SP1 is installed.
  • Start Menu ==> All Programs ==> Accessories ==> Run ==> Type: Regedit ==> OK
  • Go to: HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> eml_auto_file ==> shell ==> open ==> command
  • Double click: Default (in right pane) ==> Value Data ==> Completely replace by copying and pasting the following exactly as shown:
  • "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1
3. For 64bit Windows 7 Installations.
In 64bit Windows 7 installations there are two sets of program files . It is essential to copy and paste the 64bit Vista Windows Mail file "msoe.dll" into the Windows Mail folder in the normal Program Files. The same applies when importing 64bit Windows Calendar - See Step 5.

Do NOT import it to the 32bit Windows Mail folder in Program Files(x86). Click on picture below to expand and see location of program files.

Attachment 59883
4. Manually show hidden files
  • Go to: Start Orb ==> Computer ==> C: Drive ==> Program Files ==> Open: Windows Mail ==> Top Task Bar ==> Tools ==> Drop down menu ==> Folder Options ==> View Tab
  • Dot: Show hidden files, folders...
  • Untick: Hide empty drives... Hide extensions... Hide protected operating...
  • In response to the warning click: Yes ==> Apply ==> OK.
  • After all the steps are done, restore default view settings.
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13 May 2012   #1158
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
My windows mail works now, yippee. lol
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
On the main WM GUI (not an email GUI) you go to the top tab of Tools> Junk E-mail Options> and in here you have many settings you can make - and so check all the many different settings within all tabs in there to see if anything is your problem. I personally have mine checkmarked on the first first tab and first selection which is to Turn it Off, but your needs may vary.

One of a number of caveats using WM on 7 is that you are not 'automatically' able to update the junk filter definitions anyway and so they are old as it is, nevertheless the original ones will still follow the mindset of its time period if you have it turned on. I personally just leave it on Off.
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13 May 2012   #1159
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Hi Slartybart,

Hey thanks for the work and willing to be of help, thanks.

Just a couple of things as I look things over, if you're open to discussion?

~If you want to fix an 'inactive' typo - search for mso32 in your xtra3264wm.bat
~also in it, search .\subinacl ...what purpose is the .\ ?

~I see what you're thinking with your xtra3264wm.bat, I just don't think ? that 64 also uses the 32 version msoe.dll in it's own folder too?...but I understand your thought. Maybe ask someone who has Windows7 64 bit to delete the msoe.dll out of their 86 folder and see if it still starts...? (...you set it HSA so the norm won't see it, not many are norm here though and can get quite curious <g>)

~ just some coffeetable tidbit talk, I've not yet had to unblock a file on 7 Pro or Ultimate, but perhaps in the Home versions of 7 with their security settings the way they are, you need to? ..Pretty sure there is an automatic batch entry you can make to unblock for them "if appropriate" Unblock files (Batch Process) ...but in either case both issues make it more complex. I see Brink has a topic on unblocking too... I wish I had a Home version around so I could check some things like that, as well since grits has the Home version, specifically if the Home version has problems with permissions and perhaps needs to install SubInACL.exe to get on with it.

~ a tidbit on tut, when reading Tut Offline, concerning "cd %USERPROFILE%\Downloads\Tut_ReWinMail\" ...the way you have those lines highlighted prevents a 'copy' on it, the point is for a newbie to type in those commands by hand without making a mistake is a tall order, whereas using the online post itself you can copy/paste into the command box ...just talkin outloud tryin to be helpful is all since you included the Tut in the zip, someone will be more likely to use/read that, rather than your actual post which there you can copy... but speaking of all that though.. ..You know, thinking, as it was originally intended, it might be Easier to have them just double click the ..bat itself, that way there's no entering in all this info, just d-click the ..bat and go...?

~I see you redid all the bats to help while it runs to be more informative in what it's doing, you spent some time doing that. <smile>
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