Windows Mail

Greg S · Jan 17, 2010

pb, lol, I edited my last post. Please read it for clarity. Oh but I do love Red in the Crimson color, as in
R o l l T i d e !
You'd have to be from bama to understand that one.

Greg S · Jan 17, 2010

poppa bear said:
Probably should add that into my Techspot Guide? What do you think? Safe to do so, or would it confuse the masses?

Cheers PB

Yes, it's safe to do it. It's only the one key and that key is specific to only two files
msoe.dll <--- the main and only one that causes the problem
MSOERES.dll <--- makes no diff, it's the original

Also, who would care anyway? All the files are original except msoe.dll. Most people that do this should have a backup of the original Windows Mail folder. The only other thing that could be added, is right click the key that we are deleting and select export, save it for safe keeping. I did and can post the original reg for it here for other in the future in case they want to merge back.

The deleted and original reg file below

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de]
@="6.1"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de\6.1]
"6.1.7600.16385"=hex:01
@="6.1.7600.16385"

poppa bear · Jan 18, 2010

To GregS re:

Oh but I do love Red in the Crimson color, as in
R o l l T i d e !
You'd have to be from bama to understand that one.

OffTopic: Never been to 'bama, in fact never been outside Aussie, but one of my favorite songs is "Sweet Home Alabama"... where the skies are so blue! (Lynyrd Skynyrd). Hell ya almost got me singing! LOL! Thought crossed my mind when you mentioned the red fetish that maybe it was said tongue in cheek.

Re

If you also can confirm that it works, then the steps for making it work are down to just a few.
1)Unhide and lose the attributes of WinMail.exe
2)Copy and paste Vista version of msoe.dll
3)Delete the reg key
4)Merge your 2 winmail reg keys on your other site

I would assume step 4 would still be needed, not for sure on that.

That sounds good to me, and would make everything a lot simpler. Unless you're importing a 32 bit to a 64 bit version, in which case I imagine you'd need the full Vista WinMail folder to put in the X86 Program Files, because the registry change for msoe.dll would only apply to the 64 bit program files... or would it?

Unfortunately, I don't have a 64 bit version of Win7 to play around with. I did have the beta version but it no longer works. Must be outdated. Consequently I haven't been able to confirm first hand that importing WinMail from a 32 bit Vista system to a 64 bit Win7 and putting it in x86 Program Files works. However, it seemed to be the case in Meriu's post, and worked OK ---> post #187 page 19.

I wonder if the 32 bit msoe.dll would work if used to replace the msoe.dll in a 64 bit Windows Mail folder in program files?

Re step 4, I suspect that would still be needed, but how would you merge the two regedit files, Windows Mail.reg and Windows Mail2.reg? Do you open each one as a text file, and copy one into the other file and save as .reg file?

To test all this out I'll have to reload Win7 as I didn't keep a back up of the original Windows Mail in Win7.

Update 1: Have since reloaded Win7 and used the four steps as you suggested. After doing the first three steps WinMail worked fine, but couldn't open .eml files on desktop. Then ran the 2 registry edit files, (Windows Mail.reg and Windows Mail2.reg), to allow .eml files to open on desktop, but then Windows Mail wouldn't work at all.

Replaced WinMail.exe file with the Vista WinMail.exe file, and then everything worked again, but had to run the "open with" option on a .eml file on the desktop, and choose WinMail to open it as default. Prior to replacing the WinMail.exe, WinMail was not offered as an option with which to open .eml files.

Don't understand the mechanics of why this all happened, but maybe you could try it and see if you get same results?

Update 2: Found a work around to the above problem. If all the other steps are done first, and msoe.dll replaced last, everything works; including opening .eml files on desktop; and there's no need to copy/paste WinMail.exe from Vista; and no need to choose WinMail as default to open .eml files.

So the final process becomes:

Unhide and delete the attributes of WinMail.exe by the run Cmd: "attrib -s -h WinMail.exe"
Delete the reg key to stop sfc /scannow problem: "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de"
Merge the 2 winmail reg keys: "Windows Mail.reg" & "Windows Mail2.reg"
Take ownership of msoe.dll in WinMail in Win7 program files
Paste "msoe.dll" from Vista WinMail into WinMail in Win7 Program files
Disable splash screen at startup
Import WinCal from Vista
Run regedit files to enable WinCal to work in WinMail

What do you think, does that cover all the bases? Have to say it again Greg, you've done fantastic work sorting all that out. :thumbsup:

Cheers Bernie

Greg S · Jan 18, 2010

poppa bear said:
To test all this out I'll have to reload Win7 as I didn't keep a back up of the original Windows Mail in Win7.

Update: Have since reloaded Win7 and used the four steps as you suggested. After doing the first three steps WinMail worked fine, but couldn't open .eml files on desktop. Then ran the 2 registry edit files, (Windows Mail.reg and Windows Mail2.reg), to allow .eml files to open on desktop, but then Windows Mail wouldn't work at all.

Replaced WinMail.exe file with the Vista WinMail.exe file, and then everything worked again, but had to run the "open with" option on a .eml file on the desktop, and choose WinMail to open it as default. Prior to replacing the WinMail.exe, WinMail was not offered as an option with which to open .eml files.

Don't understand the mechanics of why this all happened, but maybe you could try it and see if you get same results?

Cheers Bernie

Here's the order that I used,
1) ran your 2 regedits
2) ran elevated command prompt at Windows Mail directory, attrib -s -h WinMail.exe
3) replaced msoe.dll
4) deleted the reg key, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de

All worked as it should for me. At some point, I did select Windows Mail as the default program from default programs control panel. If I'm not mistaken, it was missing one of it's three defaults, I can't remember now which one it was. The missing default had to do with the two reg files are not complete. I found that out after doing a side by side comparison of the two reigstry's. I can look to see if I exported/saved them but I'm thinking that I manually edited them. I'm pretty sure they were default name and descriptions of Windows Mail.

Greg S · Jan 18, 2010

What do you think, does that cover all the bases? Have to say it again Greg, you've done fantastic work sorting all that out.

Cheers Bernie

Ah we posted at the same time seems like,lol

yes see my post above which is pretty much same as yours. Sorry, I had to work late today

poppa bear · Jan 18, 2010

To GregS re:

Ah we posted at the same time seems like,lol

yes see my post above which is pretty much same as yours. Sorry, I had to work late today

Yep, we must of posted together, or close to... no drama!

I just amended mine a minute ago to tidy it up and give an overall summary. As mentioned a couple of posts up, didn't need to set any defaults, it did it all automatically, including opening .eml files on the desktop.

Will have to go back now and change Techspot Guide... Groan! Just one small thing. In the Vista WinMail folder it incldues a couple of files that aren't in the WinMail folder from Win7. Do you think they're needed? They are:

WindowsMailGadget, & OEMSpamFilter.

Greg S · Jan 18, 2010

poppa bear said:
To GregS re:

Ah we posted at the same time seems like,lol

yes see my post above which is pretty much same as yours. Sorry, I had to work late today

Click to expand...

Yep, we must of posted together, or close to... no drama! I just amended mine a minute ago to tidy it up and give an overall summary. As mentioned a couple of posts up, didn't need to set any defaults, it did it all automatically, including opening .eml files on the desktop.

Will have to go back now and change Techspot Guide... Groan! Just one small thing. In the Vista WinMail folder it incldues a couple of files that aren't in the WinMail folder from Win7. Do you think they're needed? They are:

WindowsMailGadget, & OEMSpamFilter.

I deleted the WindowsMailGadget.exe and WindowsMailGadget.exe.mui. I don't have anything that would take advantage of Windows SideShow capable devices. I left the spammer files because even though they're not updated from the net, I don't know if it's using it for spam. I have hunch that it is not using. I do know that the Junk Email options do work as far as blocked and safe senders but I don't know if it adds to the spammer files that you mention. About your two regfiles, you should be able to copy one and paste into the other making it one file.

Also on the reg key that gets deleted, you can test it if you want, but this possibly could be added to the single reg file. To test it, you would have to merge the original reg file back into the registry, find it in the registry, delete the value in the right hand pane, then delete the subkey that is under it leaving you with nothing but the original key name. When that's all you have, right click that key and export. Open it up in notepad and copy what's in it, and paste it into the other two regfiles that you converted into one. Did that make sense? I can do it for you if needed

If you combine your two reg files into one, here is what you would add/paste into the one file to delete the key that needs deleting.

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de]
@="6.1"
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners\x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de\6.1]
"6.1.7600.16385"=hex:01
@="6.1.7600.16385"

poppa bear · Jan 19, 2010

Hi Greg, re:

Also on the reg key that gets deleted, you can test it if you want, but this possibly could be added to the single reg file. To test it, you would have to merge the original reg file back into the registry, find it in the registry, delete the value in the right hand pane, then delete the subkey that is under it leaving you with nothing but the original key name. When that's all you have, right click that key and export. Open it up in notepad and copy what's in it, and paste it into the other two regfiles that you converted into one. Did that make sense? I can do it for you if needed

Thanks for that info. Yes it makes sense, and I will have a go at combining all three regedit .reg files, but since it will be going into a guide, I'd feel a lot safer if you would be good enough to do it for me so I can check out my work against yours to make sure I did it right, before putting it out there, lest it wreck someone's PC.

This would mean that once all the regedit keys are combined the final one would run both the ones needed to make .eml files readable on the desktop, and delete the key to make sfc /scannow safe.

To make it complete, could something be added to amend the value data of the key referred to in my guide:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER ==> Software ==> Classes ==> eml_auto_file ==> shell ==> open ==> command
Highlight: Command ==> In the right panel double click: Default ==> Copy and paste the following key into "Value Data":
"C:\Program Files\Windows Mail\winmail.exe" /eml:%1

Since this key is only there if WinMailLive has been installed on the OS, and the amendment ignored if it's not there; would such an addition cause any damage, because it would try to add an amended key for one that didn't exist? Maybe it's best to just leave it as a manual edit if needed?

Re deleted reg key, I have already tested it and no problems. Just to check I'm on the same page as you, is it correct that the purpose in deleting that key is to prevent problems when running "sfc /scannow"? Also, while I know how to delete attributes, I don't really understand the purpose in doing so... pardon my ignorance, but could you please explain that to me again?

Update: It was no problem using the .reg file to restore the deleted key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\Winners \x86_microsoft-windows-mail-core-dll_31bf3856ad364e35_none_67a2bdecbd5f60de

However, when I go to it I can only highlight the part of the key shown in brown above. It has no sub-key, nor value in the right pane that I can see. It's just one of mega keys under SidebySide\Windows. Or did you mean to delete every sub-entry under Windows\ ???

Have successfully merged all the regedit files for WinCal into one file. Ditto for the files: Windows Mail.reg, Windows Mail2.reg + the .reg file that deletes the key; and it appears to all work OK. At least I know it deleted the reg key. And since that was the last entry in the combined file, assume the others worked. No error messages. Will give it the final test by reloading Win7 and starting from scratch.

The only difference I can see in the syntax of the two .reg files that delete or restore the key, is that the delete one has a minus sign inside the first square bracket.

Cheers PB

Greg S · Jan 19, 2010

Hi pb,
yes you can add whatever you want to the regfile and it shouldn't be a problem. I posted earlier the reg code for deleting the correct key as well as the one to restore it. I may have led you wrong on how to do it. It appears that Registry Editor doesn't add the minus sign and somehow I thought that it would. That's why I posted both the delete and restore reg codes, because I was initially wrong at what I thought would be the easiest way to get it. Sorry about that. The only other thing that I have not tested is MRT which comes through WinUpdates or it can be run manually by typing it into the Run box. I'm only adding this because I had an issue after the last WinUpdate which I attributed to MRT.

Horse Hockey: I just now have seen that you've got it all sorted,lol.

poppa bear · Jan 20, 2010

Hi Greg,

Horse hockey? Would that be a 'bama euphemism for "horse manure"? LOL! Got a genuine laugh outa me with that one!

Re:

The only other thing that I have not tested is MRT which comes through WinUpdates or it can be run manually by typing it into the Run box. I'm only adding this because I had an issue after the last WinUpdate which I attributed to MRT.

I ran MRT using Run cmd after installing all latest updates, and it came up with zero infections, and made no difference to WinMail. However, that's running it on the full WinMail folder imported from Vista. Might be a different result if run on import of msoe.dll only?

Can you help me with this one. I have put both WinMailEdit.reg and WinCalEdit.reg files on Uploading.com which can be downloaded by clicking here & here respectively. However, when you go to the download site, if you're not a member you have to wait 60 seconds before downloading. Do you know how to put a link in a post which gives an instant direct download to a file? This is one such link here in my Techspot guide which I copied from another post. But I don't know how to do such a link from scratch for my own files. Any help would be really appreciated.

Update: No need to worry about that last question. By zipping the two files above I was able to add them as an attachment, then use the paper clip icon to insert a link to the attachment in the main body of the text. Viewers of the post can then click the file name and download without going to a 3rd party upload web site.

Also I've copied the two attachment links and pasted them into my guide, and it works as a direct download of the file.

These two files are attached

I've completely re-written my Techspot Guide based on all the various things you have worked out. If I'm not imposing on you, I'd be very grateful if you could check out my guide to see if it seems OK.

Cheers PB

Greg S · Jan 20, 2010

poppa bear said:
I've completely re-written my Techspot Guide based on all the various things you have worked out. If I'm not imposing on you, I'd be very grateful if you could check out my guide to see if it seems OK.

Cheers PB

How to enable Windows Mail app to operate in Windows 7 - TechSpot OpenBoards
It worked for me. I would say that you've really shortened the process and eliminated the gotchas of msoe.dll being replaced. I'm happy with it. Prior to this WinMail thingy, I was using Gmail Notifier Plus and Gmail Notifier, not the official Google one but from someone else. Each one had features that I liked. GNP, made use of the jumplists but even though you were logged in to Gamil, clicking a jumplist item sent you to Gmail Login. It also wouldn't show the mail count on the taskbar icon if one was using the smaller taskbar. GN, didn't make use of the jumplist but wanted to poll the server every 2 minutes and was unchangeable. Long story short, WinMail.exe is set to startup minimized and warns in my task tray with an icon when new mail is present and that's good enough for me.

poppa bear · Jan 20, 2010

To GregS re:

How to enable Windows Mail app to operate in Windows 7 - TechSpot OpenBoards
It worked for me. I would say that you've really shortened the process and eliminated the gotchas of msoe.dll being replaced. I'm happy with it. Prior to this WinMail thingy, I was using Gmail Notifier Plus and Gmail Notifier, not the official Google one but from someone else. Each one had features that I liked. GNP, made use of the jumplists but even though you were logged in to Gamil, clicking a jumplist item sent you to Gmail Login. It also wouldn't show the mail count on the taskbar icon if one was using the smaller taskbar. GN, didn't make use of the jumplist but wanted to poll the server every 2 minutes and was unchangeable. Long story short, WinMail.exe is set to startup minimized and warns in my task tray with an icon when new mail is present and that's good enough for me.

Hey Greg, mega thanks for all your help. You were really the driving force behind the edit of my guide. I wouldn't have even known where to start to do the regedits that you came up with. I hereby confer the official title on you of: "Master Tinkerer"! I'll be happy to settle for "Apprentice Tinkerer" for myself. LOL!

I think the guide is a lot less cluttered now, and certainly more functional in removing the bugs of msoe.dll as you say. Also combining the 2 WinMail.reg files, removal of the reg key, and disable splash screen all into one click is great. Plus there's the bonus not in original guide of adding WinCalendar and making it operational in WinMail with one click of the regedit file you sourced out. All good.

To cover all bases I did a virgin install of Win7; installed then un-installed WinLiveMail; and followed the steps of guide. Surprisingly, "Take Ownership" worked on msoe.dll in a bare bones installation of Win7. All the links worked, and WinMail.exe ran flawless at the end with .eml files auto opening on desktop. And not even necessary to manually make WinMail default, since when it's first run the prompt offers to make it default.

Last but not least, Junk Filter works without adding OEMSpamFilter files. And running MRT via Run box caused no problems.

And so there ends the workshop. Great effort on your part. Been a pleasure working with you.

Cheers Bernie (PB) :thumbsup:

Greg S · Jan 20, 2010

poppa bear said:
To cover all bases I did a virgin install of Win7; installed then un-installed WinLiveMail; and followed the steps of guide. Surprisingly, "Take Ownership" worked on msoe.dll in a bare bones installation of Win7.
.......

And so there ends the workshop. Great effort on your part. Been a pleasure working with you.

Cheers Bernie (PB)

Same here, I enjoyed it! As to the "Take Ownership", It works perfect for files but does not for Folders. I think it may have something to do with my UAC settings which are at the highest possible level and SRP with the same level of protection, meaning full deny for all with no exclusions other than .lnk. Well I do have a few apps with allow rules.

Ex_Brit · Jan 21, 2010

I see no tutorial or link to one, on how to make Windows Mail the default email/news application. There is a fix for that here: http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html#post87824

I believe that some people think it still needs work but it worked for me in making Windows Mail the default mail client at least.

akwexavante · Jan 21, 2010

Hi,

As a system builder i'm fed up of having to install Windows Mail on Windows 7.

So many people want it installed, people have said to me "I don't want Win7 if it doesn't come with Windows Mail.

So i've created an installer for myself to speed things up and here it is.

http://www.welcomecomputing.co.uk/downloads/WinMailFix.exe

Save to desktop, right click > Run As Administrator.

It will install WinMail on 32bit and 64bit Windows 7 computers.

Uncheck the box that asked you if you want Windows Mail to check if its your default mail client!!!!!!

Mark

mick823 · Jan 21, 2010

Mark,

There are 30 pages of blogs here describing all kinds of issues with trying to get the Windows Mail to run correctly. Can you go into some detail on what we can expect from your installer. Issues I have run into with Windows Mail include not being able to make it the default, not being able to access mail using Internet Explorer email link, help menu not working. I finally got tired of the problems and installed Thunderbird.

akwexavante · Jan 21, 2010

This installer will install Windows Mail on 32bit and 64bit computers!

You can't make it your default mailing client if its the only mailing client installed, uncheck the box that asks you if you want Windows Mail to check if its the default mailing client. Problem sorted!

Unless of course somebody can let me have the registry information required to achieve this then i,ll add it to the installer.

It does allow you to click on a mailing link in Internet explorer and it will open a new email using Windows Mail.

This installer will not be perfect "It is not a Microsoft Installer".

Help menu will not work, this is for people that are already using or used to using Windows Mail and Outlook Express.

If somebody knows where the Help Files are and the registry information required to make these files usable i'll add them to my fix I personally have never needed them!

Don't anybody that understands any Microsoft Help files and tutorials anyway.........I Don't!!!!!!!!!!!!

This Installer contains the 32bit and the 64bit Windows Mail files taken from WinVista, they are unzipped to the location C:\WinMailFix\cab files\**bit.cab

Mark

akwexavante · Jan 21, 2010

Having researched for help files for Windows Mail i discover that in Windows Vista the windows Mail help information is integrated into a much larger generic help source file.

The Windows Mail help info has been stripped out of this larger help resource for Wiun7 and therefore not available in Win7.

To move over this much larger help file would overwrite the Win7 help file and you will loose all the win7 information because you would be using a WinVista help file.

This isn't going to happen, so if you require help with WinMail on Win7 look online for help with Windows Mail as if you are using WinVista.

Greg S · Jan 21, 2010

akwexavante said:
Having researched for help files for Windows Mail i discover that in Windows Vista the windows Mail help information is integrated into a much larger generic help source file.

The Windows Mail help info has been stripped out of this larger help resource for Wiun7 and therefore not available in Win7.

To move over this much larger help file would overwrite the Win7 help file and you will loose all the win7 information because you would be using a WinVista help file.

This isn't going to happen, so if you require help with WinMail on Win7 look online for help with Windows Mail as if you are using WinVista.

I've already mentioned this earlier. Even if you delete the Win 7 Win Mail help file and replace it with the one from Vista, it will not work.

poppa bear · Jan 22, 2010

To GregS re:

Same here, I enjoyed it! As to the "Take Ownership", It works perfect for files but does not for Folders. I think it may have something to do with my UAC settings which are at the highest possible level and SRP with the same level of protection, meaning full deny for all with no exclusions other than .lnk. Well I do have a few apps with allow rules.

Howdy Greg. Haven't been online for awhile as busy with life issues, like paying bills, food shopping, cooking and all those other unimportant, trivial matters... LOL! Sorry for being a bit slow in the uptake, but if you have a free minute, could you explain to me what UAC and SRO stands for, where they're located and how to set them at different security levels.

Re:

WinMail.exe is set to startup minimized and warns in my task tray with an icon when new mail is present and that's good enough for me.

Could you also please point out where you go to in WinMail to set this option?

After all our hard work, Akwexavante's installer, (back one page), will probably make my Guide redundant! In fairness to anyone reading my post, to make it more user friendly, I should really refer them to his installer link. I'll also be interested to test it and see if it has any issues with other mail programs installed like WinLiveMail, or with running sfc /scannow or MRT.

Even if it does replace it, it's been a really educational experience working out the various registry issues, and I've learned heaps from you. But even if nothing else had come out of it, I learned how to disable the WinMail splash screen.

Cheers PB

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