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Windows 7: Windows Mail

17 Mar 2009   #1339
Slartybart

x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
Windows Mail

How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7



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13 May 2013   #1340
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Thanks endeavor, sorry it took me sooo long to reply. (see post #1378 at page 138)

Are you saying that 'Merge' will stop my loss of WM should I ever run SFC or that's a way to get it back? As for your other method, something about "reg code" , I'm completely lost there.

If I do the Merge, do I just click on that word? Sorry, don't recall ever doing it before .



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13 May 2013   #1341
endeavor

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by grits View Post
Thanks endeavor, sorry it took me sooo long to reply. (see post #1378 at page 138)

Are you saying that 'Merge' will stop my loss of WM should I ever run SFC or that's a way to get it back? As for your other method, something about "reg code" , I'm completely lost there.

If I do the Merge, do I just click on that word? Sorry, don't recall ever doing it before .
Hi Grits,

Yes.
The answers and reasonings are still all the same as I have told you in that Previous Post.

In your case since you've previously run the tutorial already then you can just merge that reg to set those two simple registry entries back - but they were there! ..and so something you did removed them is all, and there are No MS Updates ''beyond SP1'' as of yet that will remove them so I'm not sure what you did. fwiw, when your first installed the tutorial though that WinMailEdit.reg was merged automatically.

In that post I gave you three choices to add those two registry entries back which prevents SFC from breaking WinMail, and your screenshot is showing me you have chosen the 'second' way to fix - if that's the easiest for you; and so as your screenshot shows you right clicking on the WinMailEdit.reg, and so just click Merge yes, that's it, as long as your security settings allow the simple task of merging the reg file.
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13 May 2013   #1342
Black Power

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

HI
I had followed the instruktions, but when i try to open windows mail its only shows in task manger.
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14 May 2013   #1343
RKelly5327

 
 

Hope someone can help, as always. I have been running Windows Mail in 7 for some time, but the Update service would not work. It stated it was not running, so I ran the SFC as directed and it knocked Windows Mail for a loop. It won't start any more and gives the dreaded message "Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the Windows Mail message store. Windows Mail was unable to locate its message database. If you’ve moved the database files to a new location, click okay to reset the database to that location." I ran the post SFC file that came with the tutor package, but that didn't fix it and I still get the same message. I also ran the ownership program and that didn't fix it. I ran the whole tutorial again- nope. I restored the backup apps folder- nope. I even restored it from the system image I had made while everything was working. It still doesn't work. It starts, then throws that box up with its "unable" message.
Someone suggest, Richc, I think, to uninstall it and install the latest version of Windows Mail. I don't know where to even find the latest version. I do hope someone can get me out of this mud hole. I'm trying to get this working for an older widow friend of mine.
How do I fix this thing? I see these posts are old, so I hope it gets found, and also hope I'm in the right place.
And a big thank you to all who try and/or help to solve this issue!
Ron K.
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14 May 2013   #1344
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RKelly5327 View Post
Hope someone can help, as always. I have been running Windows Mail in 7 for some time, but the Update service would not work. It stated it was not running, so I ran the SFC as directed and it knocked Windows Mail for a loop. It won't start any more and gives the dreaded message "Windows Mail could not be started. The application was unable to open the Windows Mail message store. Windows Mail was unable to locate its message database. If you’ve moved the database files to a new location, click okay to reset the database to that location." I ran the post SFC file that came with the tutor package, but that didn't fix it and I still get the same message. I also ran the ownership program and that didn't fix it. I ran the whole tutorial again- nope. I restored the backup apps folder- nope. I even restored it from the system image I had made while everything was working. It still doesn't work. It starts, then throws that box up with its "unable" message.
Someone suggest, Richc, I think, to uninstall it and install the latest version of Windows Mail. I don't know where to even find the latest version. I do hope someone can get me out of this mud hole. I'm trying to get this working for an older widow friend of mine.
How do I fix this thing? I see these posts are old, so I hope it gets found, and also hope I'm in the right place.
And a big thank you to all who try and/or help to solve this issue!
Ron K.

Hi Ron,

The sure thing is to do a restore point "to a time when it was known to be working" if you have one? ..or preferably if you have a third party imaging software installed and then doing it's partition image restore will put it back to a previously 'known working state' then problem solved easily (for Advanced users only, they know from that third party backup image they only need to restore just the "C:\Users\Windows 7\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail" folder itself from the partition image instead of everything in the OS)

As far as SFC breaking WinMail, that problem has been already fixed to prevent it from happening once the tutorial installation has been run, however if someone does not yet have SP1 installed and then they update to SP1, then the tutorial 'must be run again right afterwards' to reinstate a few things on WM, one of which are the registry entries to then prevent SFC from breaking WM again when SFC is now run on SP1.

Running Windows Update on SP1, as of today, there is nothing yet that will break WM, but when they release a future update that breaks WM again, we will research and will fix it.

As far as the Windows Mail message Store being corrupted, that can happen occasionally irregardless of anything, sometimes it just happens, even on Vista it did, it even happened to me last month for the first time ever and afaik the only way to fix it properly is simply do a restore as mentioned already, simple and effective; it took me only a few minutes to fix mine.

Back on Outlook Express this similar event happened when the dbx files got corrupted, and a restore was the best way to fix that too.

Ron, just running the tutorial after the fact cannot fix a "Windows Mail message Store Corruption" 'once it happens'!
Once it happens, a restore is the best way to fix it. If you do not have any kind of Restore ability then you're most likely out of luck to retrieve any of your message store.
Please, Always, Always, have a fool proof backup plan on everything, Beforehand, is #1
I've personally never had an instance where there was no full partition image backup available to fix this particular problem, so I personally cannot help you further here, but here's some tidbits:

There are ways to reset ''Vista'' Windows Mail (pretty much the same, but....
...Again and Again and Again though, running Windows Mail on 7 is not supported, and while it's so blessed easy to keep running for the average+ user with a Back Up plan in place, but for the average user should just move on to what's supported.
If you're about to give up, before you do you can read up on This Post and scroll down half the page to ''Problem Two'' "How to backup and Reset WinMail'' that was made "for Vista users using WinMail" which is nearly the same, but Again and Again and Again, running Windows Mail on 7 is not supported.

Also fwiw, the Tutorial installs/reactivates the latest WM already. That post you mentioned by Richc he was not talking about this threads "Windows Mail" but just 'Mail' which is something different and Not related to what you want to do.

Very Last Resort,
There are many many hits on your problem phrase, searching google (be careful most do not apply to You)

If you find an answer that fixes your particular situation, be sure to post back for others.

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15 May 2013   #1345
RKelly5327

 
 

Hi Mr. Endeavor- I appreciate your efforts so very much. I mean that. Let me tell you what I did. Oh yeah, first of all, I'm a big fan of backups! I used the backup that comes with 7 and did a complete backup along with a system image backup, BEFORE anything bad happened, like a good boy. I don't know whether I've taken a trip into Alice In Wonderland somewhere or what, but this whole thing has me buffaloed. I don't know how it could be possible for the problem to not be fixed. Here's what I did, in order along with doing the steps I already listed:
1. I reset the system to a restore point on a date before all this happened. It dod not help. WM still could not find the message database.
2. I went to the backup I had made on an external drive before all this happened, selected the Windows Mail folder in the App/Data folder, and restored that. It didn't help.
3. I went back to the same backup on the external drive and restored the whole "C:\Users\Windows 7\AppData\" folder. It did not help.
4. I went to the Rescue program, selected the image I had made on the external backup drive, and restored the whole thing. It did not help.
I cannot fathom for the life of me, and I've lived a long time- 77 years, how in the world a system image restoration would not fix the problem. How is that even possible??? That was made when everything was working fine.
See what I mean about being in a different dimension, a distorted time slot, a place where the impossible happens regardless?
I'll go through the things you've listed and see if I can find my way out of this Alice In Wonderland mess. I'll be sure to get back here and let ya all know what happens. And in the meantime try to fix the Update problem
Thanks, till later-
Ron
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15 May 2013   #1346
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RKelly5327 View Post
Hi Mr. Endeavor- I appreciate your efforts so very much. I mean that. Let me tell you what I did. Oh yeah, first of all, I'm a big fan of backups! I used the backup that comes with 7 and did a complete backup along with a system image backup, BEFORE anything bad happened, like a good boy. I don't know whether I've taken a trip into Alice In Wonderland somewhere or what, but this whole thing has me buffaloed. I don't know how it could be possible for the problem to not be fixed.
A 'true' OS partition restore would have fixed it, period!

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Here's what I did, in order along with doing the steps I already listed:
1. I reset the system to a restore point on a date before all this happened. It did not help. WM still could not find the message database.
This is why in some cases a system restore point is inadequate imho - it is not all inclusive.
I personally never use system restore points, and since day one that they introduced it in earlier OS's, I've turned it off. I Only use a third party software Partition Imager, and there are a few great ones out there. These processes are all inclusive. If for instance you created a backup partition image the day, or week, or a month before (you should always create one when venturing though) ...and then you installed SP1 or whatever, and/or whether you tried out and installed 50 other software programs and then even corrupted your entire OS... ...no big deal, because when you restore a true partition image backup to the day you made it - when you boot it up that is exactly what you get. This is the only foolproof way to go if you say you are a true backup artist, you must use a proper partition imager.

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2. I went to the backup I had made on an external drive before all this happened, selected the Windows Mail folder in the App/Data folder, and restored that. It didn't help.
Okay here if you had a true partition backup and instead of restoring the entire partition, you instead wanted to take the shortcut of opening up that backup image and exploring it, and for this situation, going into and copying this folder
"C:\Users\Windows 7\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail"
..and Deleting the existing folder of same, and copying the working one in its place, it would of fixed it.
(The only thing I must say here is that I personally have all system protection turned off; iow, if I start copying/replacing files then the Windows 7 system protection system doesn't instantly copy back some of what I just did and that's an important consideration, but advanced users know that! ..but nevertheless I must point it out in case that is not understood. This is why all of this is for more advanced users that understand and have full control of the computer to start with)

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3. I went back to the same backup on the external drive and restored the whole "C:\Users\Windows 7\AppData\" folder. It did not help.
The only folder that is pertinent to this situation is:
"C:\Users\Windows 7\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows Mail"

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4. I went to the Rescue program, selected the image I had made on the external backup drive, and restored the whole thing. It did not help.
I don't know which what rescue program you are speaking of, but what I have already stated is the answer.

Quote:
I cannot fathom for the life of me, and I've lived a long time- 77 years, how in the world a system image restoration would not fix the problem. How is that even possible??? That was made when everything was working fine.
See what I mean about being in a different dimension, a distorted time slot, a place where the impossible happens regardless?
First of all congratulation on the 77, well done!

As far as true partition imaging, it is fool proof; restore points are not all inclusive.
If you restored a known working full partition image backup, then when you boot it it will still be working just as it was when you imaged it, period. (naturally as long as all Hardware is functioning the same)

Quote:
I'll go through the things you've listed and see if I can find my way out of this Alice In Wonderland mess. I'll be sure to get back here and let ya all know what happens. And in the meantime try to fix the Update problem
Thanks, till later-
Ron
As far as the update problem, imho, in this situation or for tech users, Automatic Windows Update should be turned off, and the experienced user should Manually check for Windows Updates; iow, don't have an update of whatever kind installing itself in the background while you are doing something else or whatever, until you are ready and/or prepared for update changes, with proper backup procedures in place. imho, All Windows Updates should be done manually in your time, that way, no surprises.
Having said that about Automatic Window Updates though, Naturally Manual Windows Update needs to be working properly and so you must get that fixed.

Again if you actually restored a working full partition backup partition image, putting that partition right back to the moment you created it, then that's what you get - if it doesn't then you didn't restore a real partition image backup.

I want to be careful and not stray too far from the intent of this Windows Mail tutorial though by digressing into all of these other repairs, that are from different causes other than from this reactivating Windows Mail thread. Good intention are meant though.
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16 May 2013   #1347
RKelly5327

 
 

Endeavor- I'll get back to you later. Have a lot to do today and tomorrow. Don't go away. :-)
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23 May 2013   #1348
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

@ Ron, sorry I never got back to you & now I wish I would have tried to help at that time to save you the problem of Update, knowing that there aren't any for WM, then SFC which is the only thing that I'm aware of I did to break mine.
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24 May 2013   #1349
RKelly5327

 
 

Well folks, I am finally back. Had some prostate trouble. :-) NOT cancer, thank the Dear Lord! I was sure WM was WM and there was no update for that, BUT I quit trying to get WM to work because I could not get the Windows Update to work at all. I tried a zillion things, one quite extensive such as re-registering files, etc., but it still would not work. A lot of posts I read tied it to Windows Defender not working. That was disable when I installed MSE. I didn't see how that would make any difference. Anyway, I decided it had to be first things first, so I did a complete restore to factory condition. That meant a lot of updates, etc., but it was worth it since everything is working great now. I sure appreciate you folks here. You are a big help and a great blessing, too.
Ron
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