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Windows 7: Windows Mail

17 Mar 2009   #1569
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
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How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7




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10 Aug 2014   #1570
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

I'm also baffled. I found an interesting discussion about the clipboard here: Why can programs empty the clipboard when they start up? - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs but it basically says that programs are permitted to wipe the clipboard when they start up, not that they will do this. Perhaps it's part of the crash recovery process, in your case.

Why do you have Outlook and Windows Mail on the same PC? Also, since Microsoft now uses the word "outlook" indiscriminately, I have no idea what program or perhaps, website, you are talking about, except that it is not the "Windows Mail" or "Windows Live Mail" clients. It's also unlikely to be "Outlook Express" since I have never heard of that running on Windows 7. All I can say for sure is that "Outlook" is somehow related to the process of sending or receiving emails, but where they reside, or whether, or how, they are saved to your PC is now a mystery, without a more descriptive explanation.


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11 Aug 2014   #1571
kewl1

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
 
 

Morning roncerr,

Yes that is an interesting discussion. It wouldn't be so bad if the clipboard were emptied because you were closing a program deliberately and knew it was going to happen and that you did not need the contents anymore. But of course it's a different story when the program restarts itself and you have no control over it.

Sorry to not be more specific, I can open the Windows Mail emails in MS Outlook 2010, part of MS Office 2010. It's on my computer solely for the use of my work email. That is the only reason I have it and the only thing I use it for. I still use Lotus Organizer since my first laptop in 1993 although I have upgraded to every new version until it was discontinued by the new owners i.e. IBM.
So to be more specific, right clicking on a Windows Mail email that has been moved to the desktop or some other folder outside of the Windows Mail program and choosing "open with" Windows Mail will open the Windows Mail program but not the email. Choosing "open with" Outlook will open the email as it would look in Outlook but I just noticed that the Outlook program will not also be open. Only the email will.
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11 Aug 2014   #1572
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Apparently Outlook 2010 can open its own *.msg files as well as saved *.eml files, so it's working normally: "Note: Outlook 2010 holds native support for opening eml-files and also does this by default..." Opening eml-files with Outlook | MSOutlook.info . Generally the advice on this forum about problems with Windows Mail on 7, especially after a Windows Update, is to go through the tutorial again.
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11 Aug 2014   #1573
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Hey kewl1,

I'm a big advocate of having backups at all times whether it's the built in System Restore, or preferably complete partition image backup, and so if you have those options you could easily revert backwards to a working time period.

Speaking of Office 2010 just a few weeks before your post I did a bench test install of a slipstreamed up to date Office 2010 SP2, testing only because I know at some point in order to use and/or keep up with the corporate environment I would have to move up from my preferred Office 2003 (that co-inhabits with WinMail just fine) to Office 2010 which would be my second choice. Anyway I could not see any problems when testing Office 2010 with Outlook while send & receiving a message with WinMail which I only sent one to make sure it was working, but I must admit I did not use SpellCheck on that particular test, or try to open separately saved .eml files on my drive like you did. I do not have that test setup saved for reference anymore though I'm sorry to say, however I plan to install Office 2010 permanent in the future.

One thing I can say kewl1 if you install Office 2010 and when you open Outlook and it asks you if you want Outlook to be the default email client (if you want to use WinMail) then you must say No as I Always did, otherwise it will take over WinMail operations and then some. I'm not sure if re-running the tutorial process will solve your problem to correct default associations. I don't think you are going to get out of this that easy. Since WinMail is not a natural resident of Windows 7 trying to reverse default program operations with it's default program function or individual associations may not solve the problem, I believe it's much more than that. In order to say for sure anyone would have to duplicate the exact experience and be able to reverse it. Next time I give Office 2010 a spin because of your post I will remember to test and outline that function with WinMail, creating a reverse installation procedure if warranted.
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11 Aug 2014   #1574
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

For file associations use Control Panel>Default Programs>
use the fourth option to set a default program and the second option to set default associations for specific file types (msg and eml) if you want to check/change the default program for one of those types.

Redo the tutorial for the spell check (Win Mail crashing) problem.
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3 Weeks Ago   #1575
RKelly5327

 
 
Yonder Old Dell Laptop and Windows 7

Yo Slartybart Bill- Since we chatted here I've had a chance to try that old Dell laptop with Windows 7 and I am happy, happy, happy with it. It is a Dell E1505 and originally came with XP Media Center Edition. I got a bigger hard drive, partitioned it into 2 partitions, did a fresh install of XP MCE on one partition and Win 7 on the other. I had over 200 updates to do on the XP MCE partition. Wow! It boots to the desktop in Win 7 in just about 45 seconds and is done running in about a minute. Not too shabby, I'd say.
The Dell has an Intel Core Duo Processor T2500 at 2.0 GHz per core. It has a 7200 rpm SATA hard drive and 2 GBs of RAM- its maximum.
I tried several ways to make a clone of the original drive, a 60GB drive, to the new 500GB drive, but every time the clone, or restoring an image, cut the capacity of 500GBs down to the size of the original, 60GBs. I had the techies of Acronis going out of their minds trying to figure out how to clone or restore the image without that happening, but it just would not work. I tried Macrium, too, but it did the same thing. From what I was told, they said the HPA partition is what caused that to happen. I even tried working with just the C partition, but nothing would work. I always lost the full size of the drive. Thus the fresh install of XP MCE. When I did that, then Win 7 was able to be installed along with MCE.
I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this here, but I did it cuz the original statement about it possibly not working was posted here. Okay ya all?
THE END
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2 Weeks Ago   #1576
endeavor

WXP/Vista/Win7/Win8
 
 

Hey RK,

I don't know why the Acronis techs you spoke with didn't refer you to their own article on how to resolve that HPA issue here:
https://kb.acronis.com/content/1710

That HPA issue has been around a while with them as you can see looking at the search titles here:
https://forum.acronis.com/search/apa...s=type%3Aforum

Also fwiw, another member solved it this way:
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/33121#comment-102489

At any rate doing a fresh install is a good thing too.
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2 Weeks Ago   #1577
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RKelly5327 View Post
Yo Slartybart Bill

- Since we chatted here I've had a chance to try that old Dell laptop with Windows 7 and I am happy, happy, happy with it. It is a Dell E1505 and originally came with XP Media Center Edition.

I got a bigger hard drive, partitioned it into 2 partitions, did a fresh install of XP MCE on one partition and Win 7 on the other. I had over 200 updates to do on the XP MCE partition. Wow! It boots to the desktop in Win 7 in just about 45 seconds and is done running in about a minute. Not too shabby, I'd say.

The Dell has an Intel Core Duo Processor T2500 at 2.0 GHz per core. It has a 7200 rpm SATA hard drive and 2 GBs of RAM- its maximum.

I tried several ways to make a clone of the original drive, a 60GB drive, to the new 500GB drive, but every time the clone, or restoring an image, cut the capacity of 500GBs down to the size of the original, 60GBs. I had the techies of Acronis going out of their minds trying to figure out how to clone or restore the image without that happening, but it just would not work. I tried Macrium, too, but it did the same thing. From what I was told, they said the HPA partition is what caused that to happen. I even tried working with just the C partition, but nothing would work. I always lost the full size of the drive. Thus the fresh install of XP MCE. When I did that, then Win 7 was able to be installed along with MCE.

I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this here, but I did it cuz the original statement about it possibly not working was posted here.

Okay ya all?

THE END
I was on holiday for August and came back to a full plate - I guess I'll never fully retire!

I had to refresh my memory about "our chat" and the only thing I recall was the memory (pun intended). Windows 7 likes more than 2 GB, but it does run as you obviously discovered.

I think the clean install you did was the better way to go anyway - the imaging software should have been able to slice and dice the data/partitions, but why bang your head against the wall too many times. Now I have to go lookup what an HPA partition is - lol.

Host (or Hidden) Protected Area: found a few pages that might help some else (I read a few paragraphs)
HPA Problems When Upgrading Hard Disk
Host protected area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hidden Protected Area - ThinkWiki

Your post was on topic even if it strayed a bit - but we all learn from others.

Get in trouble for posting something that might help another member - never!

Bill
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