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08 Jan 2015   #1620
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

It is a good question. I'm sure it's for legacy application reasons.

I know for instance that the Windows Address Book (WAB) and Contacts folder are not used by Windows Essentials Mail (WEM), but do serve as a migration path. There are still a lot of people migrating off of XP to something - so there's a legit reason to keep it handy. I liked having Contacts available outside of WEM. When I worked on the tut, I was able to import and export using that folder. When I removed WinMail (un-reinstated?) I lost that function and scratched my head for a while.

WEM uses the VCS business card file for contacts and stores them in a DB, so you have to launch WEM to get a phone #.
I just export them to a CSV file and import them to the Contacts folder - so that might be a reason besides migrating to WEM, there might be a lot of customers that do the same. And then there might be some foreign or contractual legalese that requires MS to keep it (not sure on that though).

The eml msgs are plain files, but other information is also stored in a DB - the only way to fully migrate mail, contacts, calendar, etc is to write a specialized tool or keep the old code available and write hooks into it for the 'migrator' tool.

A lot of guesses, educated guesses, but still guesses.

Bill
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endeavor - please remind me what the spell check issue is? Something about not spellchecking when sending?
Thanks


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08 Jan 2015   #1621
kewl1

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
 
 

Thank you both for your replies. I am guessing that endeavor is referring to the problem I have whereby if I highlight text such as a paragraph or whatever, to do a spell check on, it will freeze and close the program and the entire email will be lost. It is indeed enough to make one swear out loud especially if the email was long. I've done this many times. I tried to correct the problem by re-installing i.e. redoing the tutorial but I still have it. I just have to keep trying to remember to not highlight. I assume this must have been caused by a Windows Update many months ago.

Cheers
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08 Jan 2015   #1622
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Thanks Tom,

I let applications spell check as I time, in the case of eMail, I spellcheck before sending.

The only spellcheck I initiate is on the full document or message.

I forget what options WinMail has, but the same 'std' ones have been around forever
check as I type
autocorrect
check before sending
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10 Jan 2015   #1623
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
endeavor - please remind me what the spell check issue is? Something about not spellchecking when sending?
Thanks
Hey guys good morning, sorry I was late to answer.
Bill I had noticed with the last batch of Windows Updates MS released, the after affects did affect a few things related to WinMail, one of which affected WinMail's Spell Check. I outlined the changes back in post# 1605
It's very easy to get around though, but what's not so easy is to change my habit of how I did it before in those certain highlight usage situations; otherwise no problem.

The other change the updates made that affected WinMail, was a positive one, and so we have a -1 & +1
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10 Jan 2015   #1624
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
endeavor - please remind me what the spell check issue is? Something about not spellchecking when sending?
Thanks
Hey guys good morning, sorry I was late to answer.
Bill I had noticed with the last batch of Windows Updates MS released, the after affects did affect a few things related to WinMail, one of which affected WinMail's Spell Check. I outlined the changes back in post# 1605
It's very easy to get around though, but what's not so easy is to change my habit of how I did it before in those certain highlight usage situations; otherwise no problem.

The other change the updates made that affected WinMail, was a positive one, and so we have a -1 & +1
Thanks and thanks for the detail in 1605. I'm all caught up again ... now all I have to do is remember it next time

Bill
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11 Jan 2015   #1625
cnfcomps

Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit
 
 
Updates

I can confirm that the problem with the spell checker causing Windows Mail to freeze occurs even on Windows Vista, the operating system for which Windows Mail was originally designed!

Unfortunately the problem appears to be caused by recent cumulative updates for Internet Explorer. Uninstalling the updates resolves the problem, but it will probably only be a matter of time before another update is released that contains the same rouge file that is causing the program to crash.

I have found that the following updates cause the problem:

KB2962872
KB2976627
KB2977629
KB3003057
KB3008923

Note that these are for Windows Vista so it might be a different set for Windows 7

Matt.
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12 Jan 2015   #1626
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Hello cnfcomps, and welcome to the Seven Forums

That's a very interesting and informative tidbit you give, thanks.
I do have a working Windows Vista computer setup (WXP & Win98 too!) ...but don't very often boot her up anymore and I have not done a Windows Update on Vista for a while now. I see the 'Extended' Support for Vista is till 2017 it looks like.
Well perhaps if enough Vista users let MS know of the problem they will may fix it.
I could spend the time to track down exactly which one it is on 'each' OS isolating it more, and just recommend to uninstall that particular one if it's prudent against what is was suppose to fix in the first place, and/or is it worth it, but at this point since it's not critical and so easy to get around I'll just sit back and see what becomes of this.
Thank you for your post of useful information cnfcomps.
To be continued..
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04 Feb 2015   #1627
DavyUK

Windows 7 Pro 32bit, Windows 10 Preview 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post



I have dreaming hopes someday they will activate WinMail again, but it's just purely a far off dream.
No matter though, I will always use it, even for Windows 8 or Windows 10 which I already have installed with WinMail and working. Maybe they use the same whole MS program footprint for all their new OS's just disabling the ones they don't want, until at some point they re-write the whole Program and OS base from scratch.
Hi Endeavour,
I've just joined this forum as I've recently used the batch file download from page 1 to install WinMail onto a Win7 box as I was getting fed up with Windows Live Mail. It works a treat!
I'm trying to get WinMail onto Windows 10 and it works ok with msidcrl30.dll added but the Tools > Junk E-mail Options.. doesn't work and the Tools > Options > Advanced tab is blank.
Have you seen this behaviour before?
Thanks.
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06 Feb 2015   #1628
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavyUK View Post
Hi Endeavour,
I've just joined this forum as I've recently used the batch file download from page 1 to install WinMail onto a Win7 box as I was getting fed up with Windows Live Mail. It works a treat!
I'm trying to get WinMail onto Windows 10 and it works ok with msidcrl30.dll added but the Tools > Junk E-mail Options.. doesn't work and the Tools > Options > Advanced tab is blank.
Have you seen this behaviour before?
Thanks.

Welcome to the Seven Forums Davy.

This is the Windows 7 forum for WinMail but since the answer is easy I will just answer it here since you wont find the answer on the Eight Forum for WinMail, and there is no Ten forum for WinMail.

Yes the Junk Email not working is a known issue and will never be fixed.
The Advanced tab being blank issue has been mentioned before for 64 bit users, but the answer is the same.
There are a few other known glitches that will not work right either, and some others glitches that change around from time to time, for instance read post 1605 - 1608.

All of this is just the casualty of using WinMail where it is not supported anymore, and so either one lives with it or moves on.
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06 Feb 2015   #1629
DavyUK

Windows 7 Pro 32bit, Windows 10 Preview 64 bit
 
 

Oh well, thanks for the feedback. I'll still keep using Winmail I think.
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