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07 Feb 2015   #1630
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavyUK View Post
Oh well, thanks for the feedback. I'll still keep using Winmail I think.
YW, and I'll keep using it too!

I use a throw away email account (yahoo) for much of my internet email correspondence, but for immediate family, purchases, and financials I exclusively use WinMail - and I love the WinMail layout for Newsgroups especially.

In my strict use of using my address in WM I never receive any spam, and my point is I don't miss the spam function in WM not working since I don't get any. Yes my yahoo gets some but the spam function works on that fine. And so for me, the few other bugs that exist in WinMail are easy and I don't actually see them since I don't use what doesn't work. For me, ymmv, it's a winner and I will use (and have the capability to use) it on Windows 7, 8, and 10 ...for a long time into the foreseeable future.

Long Live WinMail !!!


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07 Feb 2015   #1631
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

WinMail Bug List
(of things that will most likely never be fixed)

In an effort to list all the WinMail bugs in one place for easier future reference, I've decided to make a list and will edit/update it as necessary, but for now the well known bugs in using WinMail inside of Windows 7/8/10 are:

x86 & x64 bit users: (Win7/8/10)
~ The Spam Filter function in WinMail does not work right.
~ Clicking the ''Working Off Line'' button will crash WinMail.
~ Spell Check works fine in most cases when using it regular, however on Win7 when ''Highlight'' spell-checking - if you ''Highlight'' any portion of an emails text and click Spelling to proceed - when it gets to the first misspelled word and you click to replace with the suggestion - WM will crash and you'll lose any 'unsaved' text written! You can read more detail of that Here and read also about how this Does Affect SpellCheck on Win8/10 too.
~ WinMail Newsgroup issue: When 'Replying' to a newsgroup post and after you type your message you click Send within the message, however like what I do where in Options I do not have it set to 'Send Messages Immediately' and so it will sit there in the Outbox until I click the main Send/Receive button and that's fine and how I prefer it - but it's here as it sits in the Outbox if I decide I want to change/edit something in the post before I press the 'Main' Send/Receive button, and I edit a few words whatever in it and click Send within the message which puts it back in the Outbox - it is here that the bug shows up where it will put the newly edited message in the Outbox however the old one stays there too! ..and importantly if you do not delete the older one Before you press the main Send/Receive button, it will send Both!
Again, re-stated, if when Replying to a Newsgroup message, if you edit in the Outbox, it will duplicate itself anew and you must delete the older ones before sending or it will send both! If you edit it twice, three, or more times, then each time you edit it will create yet another newer post - and so you must delete All the older ones first or it will send them all.

x86 & x64 bit users on Win8/10, and on Win7x64 (Win7x86 works fine!)
~ Note: from the main GUI of WinMail going to the top tab of: Tools> Options> Advanced>
This GUI section may be blank with no entries listed; also from there going to its Maintenance tab, the "Empty messages from the Deleted Items folder on exit" does not work, and there may be a few more functions not working here too.
~ Compacting WinMail Message Store Database:
Tools> Options> Advanced> Maintenance: look for the setting ''Compact every 100 runs''
On Windows 7 x86 you can change "100" to any number you want and it will work, however on Win8/10 any changes won't take after you click apply and reverts back to 100.
If you want to periodically Compact your message store and your WinMail Client wont let you, then you can use this little program to do it for you: Windows Mail Utilities ..Tested / Working Windows 8 & Windows 10
~ If for some reason your right click on a file and ''SendTo: Mail Recipient'' is not working, and your MakeDefault button is grayed out in WM options, then be sure WinMail is set as the default email client via the Control Panel as shown in my Screenshot Here ..(note: sometimes I've noticed in order to get the WinMail to show up in that list, fwr, you have to merge the WinMailEdit.reg again; it already contains the necessary RegisteredApplications lines)

To get around any of these anomalies that have no resolution or fix, just don't use that function. However, if you absolutely need any of those functions (I don't) that have no resolution for ...then consider it's time to move on to a supported email client.

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PS,
This posting slot just serves as a place holder for this current bug list information, and is not necessary related to the old posts that are around it anymore since I update this list regularly as new information reveals itself. It is also a bug list for Win7/8/10 and even though this post is in the Windows Seven Forums, it's just where I posted it at the time; of which I guess it's as good as place as any since the WinMail on Windows 7 project first hit the scene in this very thread, and so it's only fitting.

Windows 7 users: post your WinMail issues in the Seven Forums, go to Last Page of This thread Here

Windows 8/10 users: post your WinMail issues in the Eight Forums, go to Last Page of This thread Here


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07 Feb 2015   #1632
DavyUK

Windows 7 Pro 32bit, Windows 10 Preview 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by endeavor View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavyUK View Post
Oh well, thanks for the feedback. I'll still keep using Winmail I think.
YW, and I'll keep using it too!

I use a throw away email account (yahoo) for much of my internet email correspondence, but for immediate family, purchases, and financials I exclusively use WinMail - and I love the WinMail layout for Newsgroups especially.

In my strict use of using my address in WM I never receive any spam, and my point is I don't miss the spam function in WM not working since I don't get any. Yes my yahoo gets some but the spam function works on that fine. And so for me, the few other bugs that exist in WinMail are easy and I don't actually see them since I don't use what doesn't work. For me, ymmv, it's a winner and I will use (and have the capability to use) it on Windows 7, 8, and 10 ...for a long time into the foreseeable future.

Long Live WinMail !!!
I use Ultrafunk Popcorn to filter out spam first before using WinMail/WinLiveMail.
Although you said the missing Junk Email Options problem would never be fixed in
WinMail with Win10 I can't stop tinkering around with the problem! It seems to be
so close to give up yet, but then I haven't spent much time on it so far.
Maybe after a few weeks I'll give up.
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07 Feb 2015   #1633
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DavyUK View Post

I use Ultrafunk Popcorn to filter out spam first before using WinMail/WinLiveMail.
Although you said the missing Junk Email Options problem would never be fixed in
WinMail with Win10 I can't stop tinkering around with the problem! It seems to be
so close to give up yet, but then I haven't spent much time on it so far.
Maybe after a few weeks I'll give up.
Realize though that many of us have spent hours and hours trying to fix it to no avail, including myself, you can see various posts about it from day one.

The only thing you can do is to put a bad spam offender into the Blocked Senders List, and Rule them out, etc..

Your WinMail client won't update that spam filter via MS anymore either and it's list is very old. I even tried to adapt it from my Vista install when it updated itself, and transfer that new filter over to my 7 install, but was never successful and finally let it go; but again I never get any spam here so it's not a big deal for me. If you have your own domain server you can create a thousand of your own email addresses anyway and so can stay ahead of it that way too.

All the best..
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09 Mar 2015   #1634
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Good Afternoon Everyone,

Very interesting is that I've noticed that there is someone who has developed an installer for ''Outlook Express'' for Windows 7, 8, 10. ..Just to be clear, it is Outlook Express, Not our WinMail

It seems the person on the project is actively supporting it.
I wonder why they did not use WinMail instead of Outlook Express ?
I don't know anything else about it, I have not installed or tried it, I like the WinMail I have, but I do think the idea they are doing this is neat for so many reasons.
I wonder if MS is going to go after them?

Anyway, it's at this website (actually looks like a forum just for it) and it's here if you want to read about it more: Outlook Express 6 for Windows 7, 8 and 10

PS,
I Am Not Promoting or Saying To Install This, my post is just an fyi because it's interesting.

If you do install it to play or whatever, then of course have a 100% partition image backup plan to go back to.


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09 Mar 2015   #1635
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

Hmm, wonder how secure that is? It looks like it but is probably based on another email client I feel. Would have to take a look in detail and don't have the time right now, but thanks for posting.
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09 Mar 2015   #1636
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

I will install it on a test bench setup when I get a chance within the next week, and I WILL see what they are using and doing.

I really hope it's the real thing... well I mean at least the original MS OE files but adapted in whatever way, and maybe this person has the abilities... I just don't know yet, but I will find out.
I'm still going to use WinMail though
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10 Mar 2015   #1637
RKelly5327

 
 

I'm giving it a shot. The last update from MS (Windows 8.1) blew WinMail right out of the water. I went through the reinstating procedure and it still wouldn't run. Then I ran the Merge program and the logo came up, gave me an error that it couldn't find the Store folder. It went to that be default, but when I hit ok it still gave an error. I ran W.L.M. to at least get my mail, ran the import feature, and it found the Store folder and imported all the messages just fine. I don't want to run W.L.M., but I haven't had any responses on WM not accessing the Store folder, so thought I'd give this new OE a try. The link posted error 75, but the company has a temp fix for that, so I ran that and OE runs ok. I like it! BUT! It's a nightmare trying to import addresses and messages. That part is really limited. I'm no expert by any means, but I've tried umpteen ways to import. Found the only way it would successfully import addresses was via and old WBA file I had. So far no luck on messages at all, but I'll keep whacking away at it. I really like WM a lot, but the more updates we have, the less features run on it. Ditto when Win 10 comes out. Of course right now it doesn't run at all.
I appreciate the heads-up on OE, though. I'll see how I make out after more finangling. Spell check doesn't like that word. :-)
Ron K
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10 Mar 2015   #1638
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Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Hey RKelly5327,
I didn't see your other post in the EightForums till just now, sorry, I don't monitor that one so much.

I haven't gone to Windows Update for my Windows 8 setup for a while yet, so I can't tell you what happened yet, but I'm Sure, As Always, it's easy to put back together by simply running the entire specific to Windows 8, WinMail procedure again. No one else mentioned they had a problem, and I believe? that's what Ex_Brit uses these days and I assume his is still working fine?

I haven't booted to Windows 8 in a few weeks and mostly do my work on Windows 7
When I get a chance I will update Windows 8 and see what changes were made and what to do, and reply over there, but it won't be for a week I am booked. I've not checked out this Outlook Express any further yet either I'm just too busy, and it's not high on the list yet - but it is on it, and I am curious.

I am not advising anyone to install that Outlook Express to play ESPECIALLY without a 100% partition image backup, then if one does install wanting to check it out, there's no worries since it's so easy to image back.

Anyway, I can't believe you installed that different install over your WinMail installation, and then when it didn't work you then installed WLM on top of that, or lord, as usual you're always a maverick
I hope you had a partition backup, otherwise there's no sane way I can troubleshoot that triple install.



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11 Mar 2015   #1639
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Hello again,

Please understand that my post about the Outlook Express above was just an interesting fyi that I had noticed, in other words I am Not suggesting to install it, and definitely not to discuss it at any length in this WinMail tutorial thread, and I will not post about it anymore except in passing. A new thread can be started in the appropriate group if someone wants to, but it won't be me.

I almost deleted that post today, and actually I apologize to Bill that I posted about it in this thread since it may be off the WinMail topic a bit, but I was just excited that something was being done in that client area, and I wanted to offer a hey guys ''look what I saw going on similar to WinMail''

Anyway since I stuck my foot in mouth already, here's a brief note...that out of sheer curiosity I needed to install and test that Outlook Express version sooner than later.
~Naturally I did it on a test bench setup and with all the safety and protection that affords.
~Be forewarned, it does break WinMail from functioning, they moved files to disable it since, as I found out, that you cannot run both at the same time and is why they did it.
~Yes it's actually the same original files from Outlook Express back in 2004; but a number of things were modified in order to make it work on later OS's. I give them full credit for their effort and ability!
~I did not see anything rogue or anything unscrupulous anywhere in the install and using multi-layer virus & malware monitoring during the testing, everything appeared benign; but as always never say never.
~Yes the GUI looks just the same as it did back in 2004, it is Outlook Express from then, except under the hood somewhat modified but nothing you can GUI see, except they have the installer patching the protected storage service in order for the email account passwords able to be saved. (We didn't have that problem in WinMail)
~It Does come with an uninstaller, but, be forewarned again, it does Not put WinMail back together to work, as well it fails to remove Most All the files it placed AND all the registry changes it installs!

...fwiw, and imho, I personally much prefer the 2009 version of WinMail !
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