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14 Jan 2010   #190
andjayik

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

how do we get rid of the the windows mail splash screen?


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14 Jan 2010   #191
rj mccarthy

windows 7
 
 

Thanks PB tried all that once again. No problem eliminating the old folders or installing the new folders but it just doesn't work. I have noticed that there are no file associations for .dll files is this part of the problem? I suppose I shall just have to learn to live with Thunderbird!
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14 Jan 2010   #192
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To GregS re:
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Ahh, I just now noticed that the Windows Mail help file doesn't work either. I could have sworn at one time that it did, I guess not. I did find the mail.h1s help file in Vista, replaced it in Win 7 but it was a no show. I also just now rolled back to a prior snapshot, and the latest windows update will bork the two file replacement. Win 7's version of MSOERES.dll will have to be replaced with Vista version after the update. It's looking now like all file replacement is the best option, although I haven't done it yet.

Ok, I'm not working this week and have nothing better to do,lol. I've just now put back the original Win 7 Windows Mail Folder. I went into Folder Options to show the Win 7 hidden WinMail.exe. I brought up the cmd console, typed in attrib -s -h WinMail.exe and hit enter to remove the attributes. The only file I needed from Vista to make Win Mail work was msoe.dll
Hey Greg, that's really cool work! The Windows Mail I'm using is the complete unedited Vista version I imported, and neither Win Calendar nor Help files work. Truth is I've never used either in all the time I've run WinMail in Vista, so not going to bother to fix it.

Re Windows updates borking WinMail, I had been alerted to this and mentioned it in my Techspot Guide. Same thing happens if you run system file check by typing "sfc /scannow" in Run box.

As a work around to fix this I've suggested in guide to just delete the entire non-working imported WinMail folder, and copy/paste fresh copy of full Vista WinMail folder. It's simple because you don't have to take control as was needed to delete the original WinMail folder that came with Win7. Just right click and delete whole WinMail folder and copy/paste Vista one.

For the sake of simplicity for the not so computer literate user, I've changed my guide back to importing the full Vista WinMail folder. That way it covers all bases, except Help Files and Calendar.

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After much work on the Windows Calendar Help file I admit defeat. I did find the right file in the Help folder. It's desk.h1s but it will not work since Win 7 has it's own help file desk.h1s. If I were smart enough, I could probably extract the relevant info and add it, but I'm not,lol.
Contrary to what you say about not being smart enough, I think you've done brilliant. No way I could do those registry edits. I only just recently created my first auto exe .reg file, "Windows Mail2.reg" from a post by Tangent John in another post in this forum. This is a link to his registry edit here. It's entry No 8 toward the bottom of the page.

Unless you're a computer programmer, which I'm not, I don't know how you'd ever work those out. For example, I don't know what SLID is or what it does. Nor was I aware of the run cmd "attrib -s -h WinMail.exe" to remove attributes from WinMail or what their function was or why you would need to remove them. Where do you get this kind of info? I'm impressed. You're way ahead of me.

Cheers PB

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Yes, I do think it's wise to revert back to the original way of adding Windows mail to Windows 7. Question: Are you saying that deleting the original Windows 7 Windows Mail folder will help/fix the Win Updates problem? About the Win 7 WinMail.exe attributes, it has/had two attributes, System and Hidden. The -s -h switches will just remove those attributes allowing the original WinMail.exe to be visible within the Windows Mail folder.
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14 Jan 2010   #193
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To GregS re:
Quote:
Yes, I do think it's wise to revert back to the original way of adding Windows mail to Windows 7. Question: Are you saying that deleting the original Windows 7 Windows Mail folder will help/fix the Win Updates problem? About the Win 7 WinMail.exe attributes, it has/had two attributes, System and Hidden. The -s -h switches will just remove those attributes allowing the original WinMail.exe to be visible within the Windows Mail folder.
Re updates problem, when I donwloaded latest updates for Win7 on one occasion, it borked WinMail. I never uninstalled the updates, but simply deleted the whole WinMail folder and replaced it with a virgin copy, and WinMail has worked fine ever since, despite downloading later updates.

Don't know the dynamics of why, but presume the early updates either modified or replaced some of the WinMail files. However, if the updates are left installed, and WinMail replaced, I presume the updater engine reads the earlier updates as being installed and not needed. A bit like a post I once read on borking WGA validation files, by modifying them but not removing. Updater engine sees them installed but not modified and does not replace them; the end result being they're there but don't work.

That's top shelf work re the attributes being removed. How the heck did you work that out? Have you done some programming work?

I don't really know what a switch is, but I've read about them when I've attempted repairs by editing BCD to restore boot files for one of my installed operating systems. I've got 4 partitions on my PC, with WinXP Pro, Vista ultimate, Win7 & a storage partition.

I deliberately deleted the boot files for Vista to simulate a live boot crash, to see if I could add them back using EasyBCD. Trying to work out the correct switches and syntax for commands was a nightmare. I got as far as being able to identify and re-name and remove entries, but in the end gave up trying to add the boot entry for Vista back, and resorted to EasyBCD boot modification program.

EasyBCD is a really simple freeware boot editor for changing boot entry names, order of appearance in the boot menu at start-up, and resetting time of delay, etc. However, this also failed to restore the missing boot files, and I eventually had to get it back by booting off the Vista installation disc, and running the "repair boot" option which appears prior to installing.

Under some circumstances this boot repair works, but not always. Other times I've had to do a bare bones full installation just to get the boot back, then load an Acronis full partition back up image onto the partition, once the boot is restored.

By the way, tried a trial version of Eaz-Fix Pro, but it stopped my Vista installation booting up. Typical of me, I read the notes on Eaz-Fix afer I'd installed it, and saw it is not compatible with multiple boot systems on the same hard drive.

I think I'm gettin off the topic of this thread a little. Probably get busted by Mr. Grim if I'm not careful.

Cheers PB
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14 Jan 2010   #194
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To re mccarthy re:
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Thanks PB tried all that once again. No problem eliminating the old folders or installing the new folders but it just doesn't work. I have noticed that there are no file associations for .dll files is this part of the problem? I suppose I shall just have to learn to live with Thunderbird!
Unfortunately there's not really much more I can tell you that's not in the Techspot guide I referred you to in an earlier post.

I'm running a 32 bit version of Win7 and .dll files are shown in File Associations as "Application extension - Unknown application" and are not associated with any program, so I don't think that's the problem. Click to open image below to show file association - its the middle entry.

Windows Mail-file-association.jpg

As a check point, before you deleted the old Windows Mail folder and files, did you enable hidden files to be viewed, and un-tick "Hide extensions for known file types" & "Hide protected operating system files" by going to Tools/Folder Options/View in the task bar at the top of any folder? Otherwise you may have missed deleting any hidden or protected Windows Mail files.

As a last resort I'd try completely un-installing Thunderbird using Control Panel/Programs, and all Windows Mail so there are no possible conflicts. Then install a virgin copy of Windows Mail from Vista, again allowing all hidden files etc to be viewed.

Finally, are you copying a 64 or 32 bit version of Vista Windows Mail? And putting it in the correct Program files? 64 bit goes into "Program files"; 32 bit goes into "x86 Program files". If you click the image shown below, it will expand to show you where the appropriate program files are found in the "C" drive.


Windows Mail-program-20files-20x86.jpg


If you're doing all of this, can't understand why it won't initialize. As I said to you in an earlier reply, Meriu had the same problem using a 64 bit installation of Win7, but it worked after he put the Vista WinMail in the correct program files.

Cheers PB.


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14 Jan 2010   #195
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To GregS re:
Quote:
Yes, I do think it's wise to revert back to the original way of adding Windows mail to Windows 7. Question: Are you saying that deleting the original Windows 7 Windows Mail folder will help/fix the Win Updates problem? About the Win 7 WinMail.exe attributes, it has/had two attributes, System and Hidden. The -s -h switches will just remove those attributes allowing the original WinMail.exe to be visible within the Windows Mail folder.
Re updates problem, when I donwloaded latest updates for Win7 on one occasion, it borked WinMail. I never uninstalled the updates, but simply deleted the whole WinMail folder and replaced it with a virgin copy, and WinMail has worked fine ever since, despite downloading later updates.

Don't know the dynamics of why, but presume the early updates either modified or replaced some of the WinMail files. However, if the updates are left installed, and WinMail replaced, I presume the updater engine reads the earlier updates as being installed and not needed. A bit like a post I once read on borking WGA validation files, by modifying them but not removing. Updater engine sees them installed but not modified and does not replace them; the end result being they're there but don't work.

That's top shelf work re the attributes being removed. How the heck did you work that out? Have you done some programming work?

I don't really know what a switch is, but I've read about them when I've attempted repairs by editing BCD to restore boot files for one of my installed operating systems. I've got 4 partitions on my PC, with WinXP Pro, Vista ultimate, Win7 & a storage partition.

I deliberately deleted the boot files for Vista to simulate a live boot crash, to see if I could add them back using EasyBCD. Trying to work out the correct switches and syntax for commands was a nightmare. I got as far as being able to identify and re-name and remove entries, but in the end gave up trying to add the boot entry for Vista back, and resorted to EasyBCD boot modification program.

EasyBCD is a really simple freeware boot editor for changing boot entry names, order of appearance in the boot menu at start-up, and resetting time of delay, etc. However, this also failed to restore the missing boot files, and I eventually had to get it back by booting off the Vista installation disc, and running the "repair boot" option which appears prior to installing.

Under some circumstances this boot repair works, but not always. Other times I've had to do a bare bones full installation just to get the boot back, then load an Acronis full partition back up image onto the partition, once the boot is restored.

By the way, tried a trial version of Eaz-Fix Pro, but it stopped my Vista installation booting up. Typical of me, I read the notes on Eaz-Fix afer I'd installed it, and saw it is not compatible with multiple boot systems on the same hard drive.

I think I'm gettin off the topic of this thread a little. Probably get busted by Mr. Grim if I'm not careful.

Cheers PB
Command line switches goes back to my early days of DOS. Eaz-Fix does work with Multi boot, same drive different partitions. That's the way I use it. I Multi boot XP and Win 7. When installing, check the custom installation, select Multi boot, install it, restart OS booting into your other OS, install with custom setup only this time check the box that says this is multiboot but I have already installed in the other OS.

If you want something like Eaz-Fix but for free, Get Comodo Time Machine. Data Recovery with Comodo Time Machine | Comodo It's free and probably better than Eaz-Fix. I just use Eaz-Fix because it comes with a bonus of Drive Image for backup, and Boot media maker for restoring images. It's the only Imaging software that has ever worked for me. And yes I have tried all the others paid and non paid.

Also if you do decide to go with Eaz-Fix, I found another one of their partners that sell it for 45 instead of 49.
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14 Jan 2010   #196
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

To GregS re:
Quote:
Command line switches goes back to my early days of DOS. Eaz-Fix does work with Multi boot, same drive different partitions. That's the way I use it. I Multi boot XP and Win 7. When installing, check the custom installation, select Multi boot, install it, restart OS booting into your other OS, install with custom setup only this time check the box that says this is multiboot but I have already installed in the other OS.

If you want something like Eaz-Fix but for free, Get Comodo Time Machine. Data Recovery with Comodo Time Machine | Comodo It's free and probably better than Eaz-Fix. I just use Eaz-Fix because it comes with a bonus of Drive Image for backup, and Boot media maker for restoring images. It's the only Imaging software that has ever worked for me. And yes I have tried all the others paid and non paid.

Also if you do decide to go with Eaz-Fix, I found another one of their partners that sell it for 45 instead of 49.
Thanks Greg. I'll give Eaz-Fix another go, using the installation you've suggested, but probably go for Comodo Time Machine for free as I've already got Acronis for back-up partition image, and I'm very happy with it's performance. Especially if you want to clone one HD onto a new one. Also can be set to auto update your partition image if saved to storage folder, or manually update image on a R/RW DVD. Also I've done mega reloads, and neve had a faulty one yet.

Hell, it's 4am here in Perth West Aussie, so gotta catch some zzzzzzzzs! Later dude, Cheers PB
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15 Jan 2010   #197
Ex_Brit

Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 10 Pro (all x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by andjayik View Post
how do we get rid of the the windows mail splash screen?
  1. Click on the start button and type in regedit and hit Enter.
  2. Navigate through HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software, Microsoft and Windows Mail.
  3. Create a new DWORD called NoSplash.
  4. Set the value of NoSplash to 1.
  5. Exit Registry Editor.
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15 Jan 2010   #198
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 
WinMail Splash

To ExBrit re:
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Click on the start button and type in regedit and hit Enter.
Navigate through HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software, Microsoft and Windows Mail.
Create a new DWORD called NoSplash.
Set the value of NoSplash to 1.
Exit Registry Editor.
Hey ExBrit, that's brilliant. Worked a treat. Have never done a new DWORD before and didn't know what that meant or how to do it.

Anyway, tried right clicking Windows Mail and found the option, and once it was created and named, right clicked new DWORD, then clicked Modify to reset the value to 1.

I've also used it in Windows Mail in Vista, which always took yonks to open. Now opens in about a quarter of the time.

Keep up the good work. Cheers PB
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15 Jan 2010   #199
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 
Eaz Fix

To GregS re:
Quote:
Eaz-Fix does work with Multi boot, same drive different partitions. That's the way I use it. I Multi boot XP and Win 7. When installing, check the custom installation, select Multi boot, install it, restart OS booting into your other OS, install with custom setup only this time check the box that says this is multiboot but I have already installed in the other OS.
Yep, you were dead right Greg. I thought you only had to instal it in one operating system and it would auto pick up the others.

Did exactly as you said and it worked a treat. Decided to go with Comodo. It seems to do everything that Eaz Fix does, except create a back-up image of the whole partition if you need to format your hard drive for any reason. But I've already got Acronis to do that.

I think it will be brilliant when doing a fresh installation. Just periodically create snapshots during installation, and if anything honks up your sytem, just go back to the previous snapshot stage. Then at the end delete all the snapshots used along the way.

I once spent hours re-loading WinXP for a friend, and had it about 90% finished, when I installed Adobe Reader and for some reason it conflicted and wrecked the whole installation. I had previously turned off Windows Restore because I wanted to save hard drive space. Eaz Fix or Comodo would have been brilliant, and it doesn't take up anything like the space used by Windows Restore which really bloats your system.

Thanks again Greg, I'm really grateful. Great program. Cheers PB
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