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17 Mar 2009   #479
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
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How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7



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14 May 2010   #480
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Hmmm, now let me see....

Tools/Message Rules/Mail

Section 1: Check "Where the from line contains people"

Section 3: Click "Contains People"

Click Contacts - your contact list comes up. Highlight the first one and then holding down the Shift key scroll down using your down arrow to highlight them all.

Add them to the right column by clicking the "From" button.

Click OK

(You may get an error if you have contacts without an email address as it will only add ones with one. That's OK)

Now click the "Options" button.

In section 1: Click the 2nd option: "Message does NOT contain the people below"

Click OK and OK again and you should now be back to original message rule window.

Section 2: Select "Move it to the specified folder"

Section 3: Scroll down to and click on "specified"

In the ensuing window expand the tree & select Junk E-Mail.

Click OK

In the ensuing windows click "Apply Now"

Highlight the rule above and click "Apply Now" at the bottom.

It should say the the rules have been applied. Click OK and you are done.

Hope that works for you!! Mail rules can be fickle as they aren't the easiest things to set up. I used to use them a lot to filter spammers out of the Microsoft Newsgroups in OE and WM.
Wow! I'm impressed!

Thanks heaps Ex_Brit. How the heck did you work all that out? You deserve a Victoria Cross for that effort!

Cheers PB

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14 May 2010   #481
Ex_Brit

Vista Ult SP2/Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 8.1 Pro w/MC (all x64)
 
 

LOL, thanks. I was taught by one of the other MVP's ages ago before I got my "promotion".

What with you recommending the Victoria Cross and someone over at the McAfee forums suggesting I should be awarded a Sainthood.....I'm not sure what to say except all the best & thank you very much!!
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14 May 2010   #482
steelgtr

windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
If I originally did the "take ownership", do I have to do it again if just replacing the x64 file?

It's been a while since I did this on my folks system and it's a bit of a drive going up there!


thx

bob
In four cases I've personally dealt with, it was necessary to Take Onwership again. I suspect this is because once the imported Vista msoe.dll file is amended by the KB update, it then becomes a protected Windows file.

On one HP laptop I did for a friend, after a clean installation of 64bit Windows 7, the "Take Ownership" regedit wouldn't work. Neither did the "Run command" in Step 2 to remove attributes and make the WinMail.exe file visible. Consequently it was necessary to use:

1. Footnote 1 of the tutorial to take full control manually of the msoe.dll file.

2. Footnote 4 of the tutorial to make WinMail.exe visible manually.

These two problems seem fairly common in laptops, and HP ones in particular.

Also, the updated msoe.dll file was loaded first, and then the Microsoft update downloaded. Unfortunately this borked the msoe.dll file and it was necessary to reload the updated msoe.dll file again.

Therefore, on a new installation, always get the Microsoft updates first, then do the tutorial steps.

Cheers PB
poppa,

This is a HP desktop that already took the update.

I'm taking the 64bit msoe file with me on a zip drive. Do I take ownership of that file before I replace it in the winmail(64) folder?


thx

bob
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14 May 2010   #483
NoN

Windows 7 Professional SP1 - x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by fastexpert View Post
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There's nothing technical to paste the OESpamFilter.dat....just do it!
Since the OESpamFilter.dll should exist in both folder.....
It is just a recommendation to filter your mails
Do you have got the junk mail filter to work? I have not got it to run in Windows 7. Even not if I copy the files "OESpamFilter.dat" and "OESpamFilter.dll" from Vista into folder "C:\Programs\Windows Mail" of Windows 7.
To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB
I can't get it work properly as by now i haven't got the actual x64 OESpamFilter.dat...But looks some as Ex_Brit are quite hardy on that rule!

i prefer the rules on some specifics words attach to the line

I've got "Mc Afee Anti-Spam Filter" to work since the beginning in did reinstate the Windows Mail on my 7....as Windows Live Mail couldn't bear with my AV.

But here the OESpamFilter.dll as it looks like they're not include in the WINMAIL folder In Win 7....Just add the OESpamFilter.dat everytime MS renew it.


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File Type: zip OESpamFilter x64.zip (156.4 KB, 76 views)
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14 May 2010   #484
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
poppa,

This is a HP desktop that already took the update.

I'm taking the 64bit msoe file with me on a zip drive. Do I take ownership of that file before I replace it in the winmail(64) folder?

thx

bob
Hi Bob,

This is what you need to do on your parent's laptop:
  • Run the Take Ownership regedit file.
  • Open Windows Mail folder in normal 64bit Program Files... NOT Program files(x86)
  • Right click the existing msoe.dll file
  • In the drop down menu click: Take Ownership
  • Delete the existing msoe.dll file.
  • Paste the msoe.dll from you zip file into the Windows Mail folder to replace the deleted one.
  • Reboot the computer.
Warning: If it won't allow you to delete the existing msoe.dll file after you have taken ownership, you will need to manually "Take Full Control" as per Footnote 4 from the tutorial.

I'm assuming you will be able to access the internet to use the tutorial if you have to. If not, it may pay to copy Footnote 4 and take it with you on the zip drive. Also you will need to take the Take Ownership regedit file.

Good luck. PB
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14 May 2010   #485
steelgtr

windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by steelgtr View Post
poppa,

This is a HP desktop that already took the update.

I'm taking the 64bit msoe file with me on a zip drive. Do I take ownership of that file before I replace it in the winmail(64) folder?

thx

bob
Hi Bob,


This is what you need to do on your parent's laptop:
  • Run the Take Ownership regedit file.
  • Open Windows Mail folder in normal 64bit Program Files... NOT Program files(x86)
  • Right click the existing msoe.dll file
  • In the drop down menu click: Take Ownership
  • Delete the existing msoe.dll file.
  • Paste the msoe.dll from you zip file into the Windows Mail folder to replace the deleted one.
  • Reboot the computer.
Warning: If it won't allow you to delete the existing msoe.dll file after you have taken ownership, you will need to manually "Take Full Control" as per Footnote 4 from the tutorial.

I'm assuming you will be able to access the internet to use the tutorial if you have to. If not, it may pay to copy Footnote 4 and take it with you on the zip drive. Also you will need to take the Take Ownership regedit file.

Good luck. PB

Thanks poppa !!

Mom's got mail


bob
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14 May 2010   #486
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB
I got it work OK by applying a rule that if the from line does not contain any of my addresses in my contact list then move it to the Junk E-Mail folder and it works, but without a rule, you are right, it doesn't work.
Correct me if I"m wrong but the rule/rules you create is the only ones enforced. The vista spam files are not used. Message rules and spam filter are two different workings
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14 May 2010   #487
Ex_Brit

Vista Ult SP2/Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 8.1 Pro w/MC (all x64)
 
 

Just gleaned this off the MVP Newsgroups. There is a concern that using dll's from Vista, whether patched or not, could lead to vulnerabilities and it points out that it possible to get patched dll's from Microsoft.

Edit: Oops the link didn't work... so here is the text:

Quote:
Recently a patch (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978542) was released that addressed a security issue in Windows Mail. Those using Windows Mail in Windows 7 found that Windows Mail no longer functioned properly, as they had hacked the program by replacing the msoe.dll file with one from Vista, thereby de-crippling Windows Mail so it would then function as client application. When the update was applied, the hacked msoe.dll was replaced by a new Windows 7 version of the dll, which again crippled Windows Mail.

The obvious solution was to replace the dll with the Vista dll again, which then restored the functionality. However, replacing the Windows 7 patched dll with the Vista unpatched dll, resorts in ther user being subject to the security vulnerability. The user would be more likely to have protection against the vulnerability, if they used the patched Vista msoe.dll (although there is no guarantee that that version will in fact protect in Windows 7, as the scenario is untested).

Some have posted links to non-Microsoft websites in order for those who wish to obtain the patched Vista versions of the msoe.dll. However, one can question the security of such websites and the files they provide as well as consider that Microsoft does not support distribution of its dlls.

Consequently, it is best if the user obtains the patched dlls from Microsoft directly. For the given KB article referenced above, the files can be downloaded here:

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb978542

To extract the dlls from the downloaded files see:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928636

In the future, this situation will occur everytime Windows Mail is patched in Windows 7, as msoe.dll will be replaced each time. So in the future, anyone who is hacking Windows 7 by replacing msoe.dll from Vista, will continue to have to get the patched version of the Vista dll and replace it, as in this situation.

steve

MS-MVP
Outlook Express / Windows Mail
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15 May 2010   #488
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB
I got it work OK by applying a rule that if the from line does not contain any of my addresses in my contact list then move it to the Junk E-Mail folder and it works, but without a rule, you are right, it doesn't work.
Correct me if I"m wrong but the rule/rules you create is the only ones enforced. The vista spam files are not used. Message rules and spam filter are two different workings
Hi Greg,

Off topic: Sorry never got your PM from two weeks back until a few days ago as I was not auto alerted to it, and didn't know it was there until I went there to send a PM. Have since replied.

From my limited knowledge you're right. How exactly do the Vista SPAM filters work? I've only ever manually selected and stored a list of mail senders to send to the junk mail folder after I've received emails.

From a generic point of view my understanding was there were two types of SPAM filters. The first type does what I've mentioned above.

The second type would respond to SPAM by asking the sender for a confirmation, which wouldn't be forthcoming as the original message was computer generated. On this basis it would then delete/store in junk folder depending on which option was selected.

I guess a third type would be where you list addresses with your ISP who would block them being stored on your Webmail in-box.

To Ex_Brit re:
Quote:
Edit: Oops the link didn't work... so here is the text:
Yep, I tried both links and neither worked. The guy who responded to my email contacts with MS Aust was named Steve... wonder if it's the same guy? I'll email him again.

By the way, by using the method you so kindly explained to me, that wouldn't delete any emails that aren't in the list, but store them in the junk email folder? There are mega places that have my email addy but they aren't in my contacts list, such as government agencies, medical places, and program update providers like Avast who advise you annually when you're program needs to be re-registered.

Cheers PB
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15 May 2010   #489
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
How exactly do the Vista SPAM filters work?
Those of us who used Windows Mail in Vista got regular Windows Updates called: "Update for Windows Mail Junk E-Mail Filter". I imagine it's an updated list of spammers which causes their email to go to the Junk E-Mail folder. It's completely separate from any rules we create for sorting/deleting mail that arrives at our Inbox. I assume it does its thing by creating a HIDDEN rule at the top of the list "If Microsoft thinks it's spam move it to the Junk folder and stop processing more rules."
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