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Windows 7: Windows Mail


17 Mar 2009   #489
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
Windows Mail

How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7




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15 May 2010   #490
Ex_Brit

Vista Ult SP2/Win 7 Ult SP1/Win 8.1 Pro w/MC (all x64)
 
 

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Yep, I tried both links and neither worked. The guy who responded to my email contacts with MS Aust was named Steve... wonder if it's the same guy? I'll email him again.

By the way, by using the method you so kindly explained to me, that wouldn't delete any emails that aren't in the list, but store them in the junk email folder? There are mega places that have my email addy but they aren't in my contacts list, such as government agencies, medical places, and program update providers like Avast who advise you annually when you're program needs to be re-registered.

Cheers PB
The odd emails are bound to go into your junk mail. Just simply right click and mark them as OK and/or move them to your inbox if desired. Don't keep emails stores in there anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.


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15 May 2010   #491
mick823

Win 7 Professional and Windows 8 Professional
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
To the best of my knowledge no one has been able to get it to work.

PB
I got it work OK by applying a rule that if the from line does not contain any of my addresses in my contact list then move it to the Junk E-Mail folder and it works, but without a rule, you are right, it doesn't work.
Here is another way that seems to work. Tools > Junk Email Options. On the "options" tab select "Safe List Only". Now click the "Safe Senders" tab and check the "also trust e-mail from my windows contacts" at the bottom of the page. Optional to check the "automatically add people I e-mail to the safe senders list". Click "Apply" and then "OK". Now you can manage yor mail by simply right clicking on a message, selecting "Junk E-mail" and make the appropriate selection.

Not a true spam filter but works pretty good for me.
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16 May 2010   #492
GIGN1987

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Hi,

I got little problem, when my Windows mail crashed and process in Task Manager runs but program do not show the window. I have a lot messages there and I don't wont lost them. I backup the Windows Mail directory with messages and then delete main directory of windows mail witch contains the program files and restore original state. Then I again enable the program with revised method posted there a I got all my messages back.

I post this here because everyone may get this trouble.

Best regards GIGN1987
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16 May 2010   #493
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Does anyone have a test case that could be used for testing out this spam filter thingy? In other words, a working Vista OS with Windows Mail Spam Filter in action. I don't have access to Vista OS much any more since one of the laptops with Vista puked on me. It was my wife's laptop and I had access to it any time I wanted. Bought her a new one, but it has Win 7 x64. I have another Vista laptop in the family but it's one of my daughters who does alot of college work on it. Her don't like to share it much,lol. I did manage to briefly check it out this afternoon and noticed that OESpamFilter has a few references in the registry which we folks with Win 7 do not have. I could get the reg entries and merge them on Win 7 for testing but I do not have a test case of spam/junk to test it with.

Ok, I've inspected the dll with reshacker and inspect exe and the reg entries in Vista are on par with the info that's in the OESpamFilter.dll. In other words, the reg entries possibly come from registering the OESpamFilter.dll. What does that mean? I don't know until I know of a way to test the filtering capabilities and even then it still may not work.
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17 May 2010   #494
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Does anyone have a test case that could be used for testing out this spam filter thingy? In other words, a working Vista OS with Windows Mail Spam Filter in action. I don't have access to Vista OS much any more since one of the laptops with Vista puked on me. It was my wife's laptop and I had access to it any time I wanted. Bought her a new one, but it has Win 7 x64. I have another Vista laptop in the family but it's one of my daughters who does alot of college work on it. Her don't like to share it much,lol. I did manage to briefly check it out this afternoon and noticed that OESpamFilter has a few references in the registry which we folks with Win 7 do not have. I could get the reg entries and merge them on Win 7 for testing but I do not have a test case of spam/junk to test it with.

Ok, I've inspected the dll with reshacker and inspect exe and the reg entries in Vista are on par with the info that's in the OESpamFilter.dll. In other words, the reg entries possibly come from registering the OESpamFilter.dll. What does that mean? I don't know until I know of a way to test the filtering capabilities and even then it still may not work.
I have only ever used the SPAM filter in Vista with the filter level set to "No automatic filtering". I managed SPAM by adding any unwanted mail to the blocked senders list. So basically I had never manually registered or done anything to set things in motion except turn on Phishing Filter in Internet Explorer.

As a test case, I sent an email to one of my normal addresses, from the Vista interface using a newly created account which was not in my contacts list. I set the SPAM filter level to high. It detected it and auto sent it to the junk email folder. Obviously the same actions do not work in winMail on Windows 7.

With the filter level set to low, it did not detect the same email as SPAM, and sorted it to the Inbox.

That's as far as I've got. But it shows it definitely works automatically in Vista without the need to take any specific action apart from setting the filter level to low or high.
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17 May 2010   #495
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Does anyone have a test case that could be used for testing out this spam filter thingy? In other words, a working Vista OS with Windows Mail Spam Filter in action. I don't have access to Vista OS much any more since one of the laptops with Vista puked on me. It was my wife's laptop and I had access to it any time I wanted. Bought her a new one, but it has Win 7 x64. I have another Vista laptop in the family but it's one of my daughters who does alot of college work on it. Her don't like to share it much,lol. I did manage to briefly check it out this afternoon and noticed that OESpamFilter has a few references in the registry which we folks with Win 7 do not have. I could get the reg entries and merge them on Win 7 for testing but I do not have a test case of spam/junk to test it with.

Ok, I've inspected the dll with reshacker and inspect exe and the reg entries in Vista are on par with the info that's in the OESpamFilter.dll. In other words, the reg entries possibly come from registering the OESpamFilter.dll. What does that mean? I don't know until I know of a way to test the filtering capabilities and even then it still may not work.
I have only ever used the SPAM filter in Vista with the filter level set to "No automatic filtering". I managed SPAM by adding any unwanted mail to the blocked senders list. So basically I had never manually registered or done anything to set things in motion except turn on Phishing Filter in Internet Explorer.

As a test case, I sent an email to one of my normal addresses, from the Vista interface using a newly created account which was not in my contacts list. I set the SPAM filter level to high. It detected it and auto sent it to the junk email folder. Obviously the same actions do not work in winMail on Windows 7.

With the filter level set to low, it did not detect the same email as SPAM, and sorted it to the Inbox.

That's as far as I've got. But it shows it definitely works automatically in Vista without the need to take any specific action apart from setting the filter level to low or high.
Interesting. I registered the .dll which so far has done nothing productive and did not add the clsid for the .dll to the registry. I may have to go James Bond on my daughters laptop and retrieve the reg info, merge it and test again. I do have one question about your observations on Vista. Was the account that you sent the email from, web based? When I say web based, I know that all email are web based, meaning the account with ones ISP usually have a web site for getting/sending mail. So, web based as in the well knowns such as Gmail, Yahoo etc.. Was it from one of those? I have plenty of Spamatola in a Gmail account and allowed some to be added to the Gmail Inbox which in turn was received by WinMail. Settings were at high and not a peep out of the SpamFilter. Maybe mail received from a Gmail account in WinMail even though it's spam, might still be allowed through since google may be on the in-built safe senders list of OESpamFilter.dat. I don't know about that but I do know of one thing that works with WinMail, the Safe List only. Setting that blocks and sends all mail to the Junk Folder which will then give the option of adding it to the safe senders list. I know for some that's out of the question for most people but it does work well. Let me see what these reg entries will do or not do and report back soon.
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18 May 2010   #496
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Does anyone have a test case that could be used for testing out this spam filter thingy? In other words, a working Vista OS with Windows Mail Spam Filter in action. I don't have access to Vista OS much any more since one of the laptops with Vista puked on me. It was my wife's laptop and I had access to it any time I wanted. Bought her a new one, but it has Win 7 x64. I have another Vista laptop in the family but it's one of my daughters who does alot of college work on it. Her don't like to share it much,lol. I did manage to briefly check it out this afternoon and noticed that OESpamFilter has a few references in the registry which we folks with Win 7 do not have. I could get the reg entries and merge them on Win 7 for testing but I do not have a test case of spam/junk to test it with.

Ok, I've inspected the dll with reshacker and inspect exe and the reg entries in Vista are on par with the info that's in the OESpamFilter.dll. In other words, the reg entries possibly come from registering the OESpamFilter.dll. What does that mean? I don't know until I know of a way to test the filtering capabilities and even then it still may not work.
I have only ever used the SPAM filter in Vista with the filter level set to "No automatic filtering". I managed SPAM by adding any unwanted mail to the blocked senders list. So basically I had never manually registered or done anything to set things in motion except turn on Phishing Filter in Internet Explorer.

As a test case, I sent an email to one of my normal addresses, from the Vista interface using a newly created account which was not in my contacts list. I set the SPAM filter level to high. It detected it and auto sent it to the junk email folder. Obviously the same actions do not work in winMail on Windows 7.

With the filter level set to low, it did not detect the same email as SPAM, and sorted it to the Inbox.

That's as far as I've got. But it shows it definitely works automatically in Vista without the need to take any specific action apart from setting the filter level to low or high.
Interesting. I registered the .dll which so far has done nothing productive and did not add the clsid for the .dll to the registry. I may have to go James Bond on my daughters laptop and retrieve the reg info, merge it and test again. I do have one question about your observations on Vista. Was the account that you sent the email from, web based? When I say web based, I know that all email are web based, meaning the account with ones ISP usually have a web site for getting/sending mail. So, web based as in the well knowns such as Gmail, Yahoo etc.. Was it from one of those? I have plenty of Spamatola in a Gmail account and allowed some to be added to the Gmail Inbox which in turn was received by WinMail. Settings were at high and not a peep out of the SpamFilter. Maybe mail received from a Gmail account in WinMail even though it's spam, might still be allowed through since google may be on the in-built safe senders list of OESpamFilter.dat. I don't know about that but I do know of one thing that works with WinMail, the Safe List only. Setting that blocks and sends all mail to the Junk Folder which will then give the option of adding it to the safe senders list. I know for some that's out of the question for most people but it does work well. Let me see what these reg entries will do or not do and report back soon.
I am using 32bit Vista, and the test email which was detected as SPAM in Vista was sent from my ISP primary account with Bigpond, which is the major telephone company in Australia, and as such not a "web-based" email service provider like HotMail, Yahoo, etc.

I found 4 OESpamfilter registry entries in Vista but could only export 3 to 32bit Windows 7. I also exported the 2 OESpamfilter files from Windows Mail in Vista to Windows Mail in Windows 7. Unfortunately it did not work period, using the same ISP email address which did work in Vista.

The key which was not able to be exported was going to this address:

HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1092626639-1417784963-2039447168-1000\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Regedit

I tried to create a new S-1-5-21 sub-key of HKEY_USERS with the above string value but it would not allow this either.

I also exported all the X86 registry keys, but only about half would load, and even after re-boot it still didn't work.
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18 May 2010   #497
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Greg S View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
I have only ever used the SPAM filter in Vista with the filter level set to "No automatic filtering". I managed SPAM by adding any unwanted mail to the blocked senders list. So basically I had never manually registered or done anything to set things in motion except turn on Phishing Filter in Internet Explorer.

As a test case, I sent an email to one of my normal addresses, from the Vista interface using a newly created account which was not in my contacts list. I set the SPAM filter level to high. It detected it and auto sent it to the junk email folder. Obviously the same actions do not work in winMail on Windows 7.

With the filter level set to low, it did not detect the same email as SPAM, and sorted it to the Inbox.

That's as far as I've got. But it shows it definitely works automatically in Vista without the need to take any specific action apart from setting the filter level to low or high.
Interesting. I registered the .dll which so far has done nothing productive and did not add the clsid for the .dll to the registry. I may have to go James Bond on my daughters laptop and retrieve the reg info, merge it and test again. I do have one question about your observations on Vista. Was the account that you sent the email from, web based? When I say web based, I know that all email are web based, meaning the account with ones ISP usually have a web site for getting/sending mail. So, web based as in the well knowns such as Gmail, Yahoo etc.. Was it from one of those? I have plenty of Spamatola in a Gmail account and allowed some to be added to the Gmail Inbox which in turn was received by WinMail. Settings were at high and not a peep out of the SpamFilter. Maybe mail received from a Gmail account in WinMail even though it's spam, might still be allowed through since google may be on the in-built safe senders list of OESpamFilter.dat. I don't know about that but I do know of one thing that works with WinMail, the Safe List only. Setting that blocks and sends all mail to the Junk Folder which will then give the option of adding it to the safe senders list. I know for some that's out of the question for most people but it does work well. Let me see what these reg entries will do or not do and report back soon.
The key which was not able to be exported was going to this address:

HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1092626639-1417784963-2039447168-1000\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Regedit

I tried to create a new S-1-5-21 sub-key of HKEY_USERS with the above string value but it would not allow this either.
That one doesn't matter. It's the last opened/searched key in regedit. PM sent
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18 May 2010   #498
alientrader1

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 
Can't get it to work

I appreciate all the work you guys did on these instructions for getting Windows Vista Mail for my Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. However, I still can't get the e-mail program to work. To me, it seems ridiculous to have to go through all this crap.

I did try though, several times, but to no avail.

Let me review some things that I question, and some that just didn't work.

First, in step 2, you have a space between Windows and Mail. Is this right?

2nd in step 3, note 1, WinMail file is there, WinMailEdit folder is there, but
the WinMail.exe is missing. This is probably why I can't get it to work, but I
followed your instructions explicitly, all the way through.

Footnote 2: HKEY_CURRENTUSER>SOFTWARE>CLASSES> Then there is no
eml_auto to click on.

Footnote 4 >WINDOWS MAIL> TOP TASK BAR>TOOLS> ETC.
There is no tools button on the top task bar, or anywhere else in this window.

Also, where do you go to restore Default View Settings, if you ever do get this to work?

Thanks sincerely,

Barry-------------------Just a grumpy old man who HATES Bill Gates!
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19 May 2010   #499
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by alientrader1 View Post
First, in step 2, you have a space between Windows and Mail. Is this right?

2nd in step 3, note 1, WinMail file is there, WinMailEdit folder is there, but
the WinMail.exe is missing. This is probably why I can't get it to work, but I
followed your instructions explicitly, all the way through.

Footnote 2: HKEY_CURRENTUSER>SOFTWARE>CLASSES> Then there is no
eml_auto to click on.

Footnote 4 >WINDOWS MAIL> TOP TASK BAR>TOOLS> ETC.
There is no tools button on the top task bar, or anywhere else in this window.

Also, where do you go to restore Default View Settings...
The name of the folder includes the space. Personally, I'd just use the ControlPanel/Folder Options/View settings to show protected system files and reverse the process to hide them when you're all done (i.e. restore default view). Although they may not have spelled it out, you must also "show file extensions" to see the ".exe" in "WinMail.exe". Personally, I would find Windows very mysterious and confusing without showing the extensions. Most of us have been changing that default since Win95.

In footnote 2, edit the key "if it is installed". If not, don't worry about it unless you try to open an email saved to the regular file system (i.e. a ".eml" file) and it fails to use Windows Mail to view it.

In Footnote 4 they mean the usual "File Edit View..." menus in the top left of the window. Tools is the 4th one. (Perhaps you need to set the Folder View option to "Always Show Menus"?)

You're right about how hard this is. In fact it's harder than the tutorial says. There have been quite a few posts about the last Window security update breaking the changes we made by replacing the ".dll" files that we swapped out. So that to restore our Windows Mail functionality with the needed security we have to replace the .dll again with an updated copy when it's added to the tutorial.

Personally, I think I'll try to live with "Windows Live Mail" by ignoring the parts I don't need. I solved the multiple POP3 folder groupings by setting my other email accounts to forward mail to the one POP3 account I set up in WLM. For my IMAP accounts, it works almost as well as Windows Mail in Vista.

I don't hate Bill since he was actively involved when Win98 was developed. Much simpler to understand, to network, and use in general, not to mention super fast compared to all the bloat (er...features) that started with XP and got worse with Vista.
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