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17 Mar 2009   #609
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 
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How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7



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21 Jun 2010   #610
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kewl1 View Post
I did download a couple of Windows updates and can't remember anything else.

I really see Windows 7 as the Service pack that should have fixed Vista. It's what Vista should have been and it should have been a free fix in my opinion.
You could run Windows update machine, but only load available updates one at a time, noting the KB number, and test WinMail after each one is installed. It's a bit tedious but probably the only way to isolate the one causing the problem

Re Windows 7 being a SP... my sentiments exactly! When Windows 7 was still being tested in the beta stage, I likened it to Win98 2nd Ed, which was free, and corrected the 20,000 plus errors in the original Win98. Their marketing philosophy is "get it on the market and correct the errors later... and keep our fingers crossed they don't exceed 50% of the available functions." The problem is they now charge Joe Public for the privilege of correcting their errors.

Re WinMail graying out on clicking Work offline/online, I have systematically replaced each sub-folder of WinMail, one by one, with the folders in WinMail Vista, to try and isolate the one that controls that switch. However, after exhausting all possibilities, it still would not work, which means it is probably a registry issue. My guess would be that one of the reg keys for WinMail in Vista is missing. Anyone feel like trying to track it down?

Could also just be that WinMail in Windows 7 as an operational application is a hybrid program, and hence there may be some functions that will never work.

Cheers PB

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21 Jun 2010   #611
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mathewgx View Post
Does anybody know how to minimise winmail to quick forder instead of the taskbar ?

I think that it was possible in vista.
Do you mean in the Notification area in the right side of the bottom taskbar, or Quick launch in the left side?

If you mean Quick launch, create a desktop shortcut for WinMail from either the Start Menu or WinMail file in Windows Mail folder in Program files. Drag/drop the shortcut icon of Windows Mail from the desktop to a blank spot of the bottom taskbar. The shortcut on the desktop still remains. To remove, right click the icon, and click: Unpin this program from the taskbar.

If you're referring to the having it in the Notification Area, normally you would: Right click blank space in bottom task bar --> Properties --> Taskbar tab --> Sub-heading: Notification area --> Customize --> Choose options.

Even though it shows Windows Mail as an option to show in the Notification area, sorry, but it doesn't work, no matter what boxes or drop down menu items you choose. Or more accurately I should say it doesn't work in my operating system of Windows 7.
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21 Jun 2010   #612
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Didn't read all of this but here's the error for Offline Crash:

Quote:
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: WinMail.exe
Application Version: 6.1.7600.16385
Application Timestamp: 4a5bc658
Fault Module Name: StackHash_0a9e
Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00000000
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 0a9e
Additional Information 2: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
Additional Information 3: 0a9e
Additional Information 4: 0a9e372d3b4ad19135b953a78882e789
My guess is that it has something to do with security. Here's what takes place when going offline with IE8

Code:
"E:\Windows\system32\rundll32.exe" "E:\Windows\system32\WININET.dll",DispatchAPICall 1
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22 Jun 2010   #613
mathewgx

vista
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mathewgx View Post
Does anybody know how to minimise winmail to quick forder instead of the taskbar ?

I think that it was possible in vista.
Do you mean in the Notification area in the right side of the bottom taskbar, or Quick launch in the left side?

If you mean Quick launch, create a desktop shortcut for WinMail from either the Start Menu or WinMail file in Windows Mail folder in Program files. Drag/drop the shortcut icon of Windows Mail from the desktop to a blank spot of the bottom taskbar. The shortcut on the desktop still remains. To remove, right click the icon, and click: Unpin this program from the taskbar.

If you're referring to the having it in the Notification Area, normally you would: Right click blank space in bottom task bar --> Properties --> Taskbar tab --> Sub-heading: Notification area --> Customize --> Choose options.

Even though it shows Windows Mail as an option to show in the Notification area, sorry, but it doesn't work, no matter what boxes or drop down menu items you choose. Or more accurately I should say it doesn't work in my operating system of Windows 7.

I want it to minimize into the quick launch. I have the shortcut icon at the quick launch but winmail minimizes into the taskbar.
If i remember correctly , in vista it minimized to quick launch , so there was enough free space at the taskbar.
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22 Jun 2010   #614
roncerr

Windows 8 Pro w/MC 32-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mathewgx View Post
...If i remember correctly , in vista it minimized to quick launch , so there was enough free space at the taskbar.
I'm still using WM in Vista. When the program is open and running it's in the task bar like any other program. If you use the minimize button in the upper right corner of the window, it stays in the same place on the task bar. If a new email comes in, you get a notification icon as well in the system tray (right side near clock). If you close the window with the "x" in the upper right corner both the task bar item and the notification icon disappear. As far as the startup icon goes, you can put that anywhere else...quick launch (left end of task bar), on the desktop, in the start menu, etc. like any other program.
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22 Jun 2010   #615
kewl1

Win 7 Ultimate SP1 64 bit
 
 

[QUOTE=poppa bear;799172]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kewl1 View Post
I did download a couple of Windows updates and can't remember anything else.
You could run Windows update machine, but only load available updates one at a time, noting the KB number, and test WinMail after each one is installed. It's a bit tedious but probably the only way to isolate the one causing the problem

I'll do that. Here's another strange thing that happens but it doesn't seem to be all the time. And again it's just on the one computer. When I push Send Receive or just the Send All button. It will not function at all. However then when I go to close the program it will tell me that I have mail in the outbox and it will send it as I shut down the program. Weird.
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22 Jun 2010   #616
Greg S

Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by roncerr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mathewgx View Post
...If i remember correctly , in vista it minimized to quick launch , so there was enough free space at the taskbar.
I'm still using WM in Vista. When the program is open and running it's in the task bar like any other program. If you use the minimize button in the upper right corner of the window, it stays in the same place on the task bar. If a new email comes in, you get a notification icon as well in the system tray (right side near clock). If you close the window with the "x" in the upper right corner both the task bar item and the notification icon disappear. As far as the startup icon goes, you can put that anywhere else...quick launch (left end of task bar), on the desktop, in the start menu, etc. like any other program.
One other option, if you want to minimize it to the system tray (right side near clock), you could use RBTray

It appears that it works to minimize most all open windows to the systray.
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23 Jun 2010   #617
silat

windows 7 64
 
 

Hi

OK I successfully followed the directions some time ago. It was great.
Now I am using Outlook. But I want to get rid of Win mail. What are the directions to reverse what I did?

thanks
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23 Jun 2010   #618
poppa bear

Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by silat View Post
Hi

OK I successfully followed the directions some time ago. It was great.
Now I am using Outlook. But I want to get rid of Win mail. What are the directions to reverse what I did?

thanks
You don't really need to undo anything. Simply delete the Windows Mail shortcut off your desktop. And when you've got Outlook up and running, set it as default mail client. When you first run Outlook it should ask if you want it set as default, but if it doesn't you can go to either:

1. Start orb --> Program files --> Default Programs --> Set your program defaults.

2. Outlook --> Tools --> Options --> General tab --> Set as default.

WinMail will still be an active program, but won't interfere with Outlook. If you want to deactivae it simply replace the mose.dll file with the original Windows 7 msoe.dll. Both the 32 & 64bit original Windows 7 msoe.dll files are attached to this post.

Or better still, delete Microsoft update KB978542, reboot, and then run the Windows Update machine and it will re-install it, thus giving you an updated Windows 7 msoe.fll file as if you had never done the import. This will not only stop Windows Mail acting as an active application, but will also give you the added advantage of the security issues covered by that update for the latest msoe.dll.

Cheers PB


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23 Jun 2010   #619
silat

windows 7 64
 
 

Thanks Poppa.
The reason for my wanting to get rid of it is:
My mail backup program keeps finding WinMail and backing up the folder.
I am assuming that doing what you have suggested will fix that issue.
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