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  1. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #670

    roncerr said:
    Greg S said:
    ...Also, just to make sure, here is the version of WLM that I am using...
    Yes that's the current version and the one I have.
    Having a problem with stationary, it doesn't seem to work. Any clues?
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  2. Posts : 320
    Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
       #671

    Greg S said:
    Yes, I should have noted that it was for all Live products. I only have WLM installed which also installed according to the article other things supposedly mail related that may or may not be needed. It's the may not needs of just WLM in that article that I want clarification on. Also, just to make sure, here is the version of WLM that I am using

    Attachment 82827
    Hi Greg,

    To be honest I'm not sure which of those options apply to the latest version of WLM which does not have a version number, but is simply known as WLM Wave 4 Beta.

    I had a session by phone a few days ago with a Microsoft administrative person named Jeff Putt, and he's the head honcho of Windows Programs, Australia wide. He discovered after we had compared features for awhile that he did not have the same version of WLM that I had from the link shown a few posts back. I emailed him the link and when he downloaded it, he said he couldn't understand why MS(USA) had not auto sent him the latest version of WLM. And after further investigation, confirmed that the one obtained from the link I sent him was indeed the latest.

    When I used this download engine to obtain WLM Wave 4 Beta, the only option I ticked was Mail. And all I've got in "Programs and Features" in Control Panel is "Windows Live Essentials Beta". When I click this program as if to uninstall it, the window that opens has the options to: Remove one or more Windows Live programs OR Repair all Windows Live programs. If I click the "Remove" option, it opens a window that shows which programs are installed, and asks "What do you want to uninstall".


    Windows Mail-wlessentials-beta-uninstall.png


    The only two programs I have listed are "Mail" and "Photo Gallery and Movie Maker". Originally I only donwloaded Mail, but later added PG & MM, so this program is not an essential or even directly related program for WLM.

    To me this implies that "Mail" by itself includes all the necessary elements to successfully run WLM.

    Apart from the missing option of being able to Format an email to add background color, picture, etc, it is fully functional. However, the MS guy conceded this was an accidental omission that would be corrected in a later model.

    Hope this helps. Cheers PB
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  3. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #672

    poppa bear said:
    Greg S said:
    Yes, I should have noted that it was for all Live products. I only have WLM installed which also installed according to the article other things supposedly mail related that may or may not be needed. It's the may not needs of just WLM in that article that I want clarification on. Also, just to make sure, here is the version of WLM that I am using

    Attachment 82827
    Hi Greg,

    To be honest I'm not sure which of those options apply to the latest version of WLM which does not have a version number, but is simply known as WLM Wave 4 Beta.

    I had a session by phone a few days ago with a Microsoft administrative person named Jeff Putt, and he's the head honcho of Windows Programs, Australia wide. He discovered after we had compared features for awhile that he did not have the same version of WLM that I had from the link shown a few posts back. I emailed him the link and when he downloaded it, he said he couldn't understand why MS(USA) had not auto sent him the latest version of WLM. And after further investigation, confirmed that the one obtained from the link I sent him was indeed the latest.

    When I used this download engine to obtain WLM Wave 4 Beta, the only option I ticked was Mail. And all I've got in "Programs and Features" in Control Panel is "Windows Live Essentials Beta". When I click this program as if to uninstall it, the window that opens has the options to: Remove one or more Windows Live programs OR Repair all Windows Live programs. If I click the "Remove" option, it opens a window that shows which programs are installed, and asks "What do you want to uninstall".


    Windows Mail-wlessentials-beta-uninstall.png


    The only two programs I have listed are "Mail" and "Photo Gallery and Movie Maker". Originally I only donwloaded Mail, but later added PG & MM, so this program is not an essential or even directly related program for WLM.

    To me this implies that "Mail" by itself includes all the necessary elements to successfully run WLM.

    Apart from the missing option of being able to Format an email to add background color, picture, etc, it is fully functional. However, the MS guy conceded this was an accidental omission that would be corrected in a later model.

    Hope this helps. Cheers PB
    I have/had four WLM associations listed in Revo Uninstaller.
    1) Choice Guard
    2) Windows Live Essentials
    3) Windows Live Sign in Assistant
    4) Windows Live Upload Tool

    In the Windows directory there is a folder for installations called Installer. To view it you have to untick Hide protected operating system files in Folder Options. In there I found the other install packages mentioned in the article. If you know the date that you installed wave 4, go to that folder and see what you have in there using the date to sort it.
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  4. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #673

    Another question on WLM and it may have already been answered. This is about the drop Storage Folders in the left pane. As mentioned, I have selected not to show it but WLM imported from WinMail folders that I made in WinMail and they appear in the Storage Folders. Can I move these up under the heading Windows Mail and if yes how? I tried to do it but it gets duplicated in the actual storage folder directory, I think that's where it was. Next and if I can get the folders moved up, can I right click delete in the Storage Folders the Drafts, Sent, Deleted, Inbox, Junk Mail, Outbox?
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  5. Posts : 320
    Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
       #674

    Greg S said:
    I have/had four WLM associations listed in Revo Uninstaller.
    1) Choice Guard
    2) Windows Live Essentials
    3) Windows Live Sign in Assistant
    4) Windows Live Upload Tool

    In the Windows directory there is a folder for installations called Installer. To view it you have to untick Hide protected operating system files in Folder Options. In there I found the other install packages mentioned in the article. If you know the date that you installed wave 4, go to that folder and see what you have in there using the date to sort it.
    This is a pic of what I have in Installer folder in Windows with protected operating system files visible and WLM Wave 4 Beta installed. I can't relate any of the folders or files shown in this pic to the ones shown in that article to which you showed a link? Maybe I'm misreading or in the wrong folder.


    Windows Mail-installer.png

    Re:
    Another question on WLM and it may have already been answered. This is about the drop Storage Folders in the left pane. As mentioned, I have selected not to show it but WLM imported from WinMail folders that I made in WinMail and they appear in the Storage Folders. Can I move these up under the heading Windows Mail and if yes how? I tried to do it but it gets duplicated in the actual storage folder directory, I think that's where it was. Next and if I can get the folders moved up, can I right click delete in the Storage Folders the Drafts, Sent, Deleted, Inbox, Junk Mail, Outbox?
    This is a post here on importing emails from WinMail to WinLiveMail. There are two methods, but I'm not sure if this answers the questions you have asked.

    Method 1. This is the method I prefer because it puts all your emails and folders exactly where you want them in WLM, and exactly duplicated as they were in WinMail.

    All the folders as shown in WinMail will be imported into one account of your choice in WLM, and show up as was displayed in WinMail with all the emails in their correct sub-folders. The only sub-folders of Local Folders that won't import across are custom ones you've created that have no emails in them. You can either save a dummy email to these folders before importing to ensure they will import across; or re-create them in the account you have chosen in WLM after importing all the others.

    Method 2. The problem with this method is all your imported emails and folders are forcibly imported to Storage Folders, and must then be moved to the selected final destination. It also means re-creating any custom folders in the destination folder.

    This is basically the same as the method shown in the tutorial by Brink. All your imported folders and emails are now stored under: Storage Folders --> Imported Folders --> Local Folders --> Inbox, Sent Items, etc.

    You can move the emails in the folders to a different folder in an account of your choice, by either drag dropping, or right clicking an email, or highlighted group of emails, and choosing "Move to folder". However, you can't move the actual sub-folders themselves. Once you've moved all your emails out of Inbox, Sent Items, etc under Imported Folders, you can then delete the "Imported Folders" folder, which includes all the sub-folders.

    Hope this makes sense and is what you want to know?

    Cheers PB
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  6. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #675

    poppa bear said:
    Greg S said:
    I have/had four WLM associations listed in Revo Uninstaller.
    1) Choice Guard
    2) Windows Live Essentials
    3) Windows Live Sign in Assistant
    4) Windows Live Upload Tool

    In the Windows directory there is a folder for installations called Installer. To view it you have to untick Hide protected operating system files in Folder Options. In there I found the other install packages mentioned in the article. If you know the date that you installed wave 4, go to that folder and see what you have in there using the date to sort it.
    This is a pic of what I have in Installer folder in Windows with protected operating system files visible and WLM Wave 4 Beta installed. I can't relate any of the folders or files shown in this pic to the ones shown in that article to which you showed a link? Maybe I'm misreading or in the wrong folder.





    Cheers PB
    You have to do one of two things, 1) pause the mouse over the file to get tootip property info, 2) right click the file and select properites.

    I haven't digested your other help reply yet, back in a few wiht hopefully success.
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  7. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #676

    poppa bear said:
    Greg S said:
    I have/had four WLM associations listed in Revo Uninstaller.
    1) Choice Guard
    2) Windows Live Essentials
    3) Windows Live Sign in Assistant
    4) Windows Live Upload Tool

    In the Windows directory there is a folder for installations called Installer. To view it you have to untick Hide protected operating system files in Folder Options. In there I found the other install packages mentioned in the article. If you know the date that you installed wave 4, go to that folder and see what you have in there using the date to sort it.
    This is a pic of what I have in Installer folder in Windows with protected operating system files visible and WLM Wave 4 Beta installed. I can't relate any of the folders or files shown in this pic to the ones shown in that article to which you showed a link? Maybe I'm misreading or in the wrong folder.


    Windows Mail-installer.png

    Re:
    Another question on WLM and it may have already been answered. This is about the drop Storage Folders in the left pane. As mentioned, I have selected not to show it but WLM imported from WinMail folders that I made in WinMail and they appear in the Storage Folders. Can I move these up under the heading Windows Mail and if yes how? I tried to do it but it gets duplicated in the actual storage folder directory, I think that's where it was. Next and if I can get the folders moved up, can I right click delete in the Storage Folders the Drafts, Sent, Deleted, Inbox, Junk Mail, Outbox?
    This is a post here on importing emails from WinMail to WinLiveMail. There are two methods, but I'm not sure if this answers the questions you have asked.

    Method 1. This is the method I prefer because it puts all your emails and folders exactly where you want them in WLM, and exactly duplicated as they were in WinMail.

    All the folders as shown in WinMail will be imported into one account of your choice in WLM, and show up as was displayed in WinMail with all the emails in their correct sub-folders. The only sub-folders of Local Folders that won't import across are custom ones you've created that have no emails in them. You can either save a dummy email to these folders before importing to ensure they will import across; or re-create them in the account you have chosen in WLM after importing all the others.

    Method 2. The problem with this method is all your imported emails and folders are forcibly imported to Storage Folders, and must then be moved to the selected final destination. It also means re-creating any custom folders in the destination folder.

    This is basically the same as the method shown in the tutorial by Brink. All your imported folders and emails are now stored under: Storage Folders --> Imported Folders --> Local Folders --> Inbox, Sent Items, etc.

    You can move the emails in the folders to a different folder in an account of your choice, by either drag dropping, or right clicking an email, or highlighted group of emails, and choosing "Move to folder". However, you can't move the actual sub-folders themselves. Once you've moved all your emails out of Inbox, Sent Items, etc under Imported Folders, you can then delete the "Imported Folders" folder, which includes all the sub-folders.

    Hope this makes sense and is what you want to know?


    Cheers PB

    Method one doesn't work. It works but as I mentioned earlier, it duplicates the folders on the HD as well as the mail seen in WLM although the old copies say that they can't be found.

    Well I've successfully screwed it up doing this. Now most all emails show the name@mail.com tag in the from heading. Sad part, I didn't take a snapshot prior to this.
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  8. Posts : 320
    Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
       #677

    Greg S said:
    Method one doesn't work. It works but as I mentioned earlier, it duplicates the folders on the HD as well as the mail seen in WLM although the old copies say that they can't be found.

    Well I've successfully screwed it up doing this. Now most all emails show the name@mail.com tag in the from heading. Sad part, I didn't take a snapshot prior to this.
    I'm really sorry to hear that Greg. I don't fully understand what you mean when you say Method 1 duplicates the folders on the HD as well as mail seen in WLM? I've used this method on several occasions, and never had a problem with it, and I've talked to other members via PMs who have successfully used it. I am assuming you're importing your emails from WinMail in Windows 7, to WinLiveMail also in Windows 7?

    It is critical in this method to totally clean out the Local Folders in the destination folder of the account folder you select in WLM, as per Step 7. Also, no folders should be manually created in the Account folder under the main folder of AppData, as distinct from drag/dropping the folders from the saved "Imported emails" folder as seen in Step 10. New folders should only be created in the accounts accessed in the main window of WLM.

    When this method is finished you should end up with all the original emails and folders of Inbox, Sent Items, etc, in the destination account folder, (under AppData main folder), and showing only in the Account folder in the left panel of WLM.

    Unfortunately I don't know why the emails are showing the send from name as name@mail.com

    Have you still got your original emails saved in WinMail? If you have, then I'd re-set WinMail as default. Delete all accounts and clean out all emails from WinLiveMail. Then see if your send from box in emails created in WinMail is back to normal.

    If it is, then try re-creating your accounts in WinLiveMail, setting WLM as default and starting the import of emails again. Maybe, to be safe, use Method 2. At least this way your emails will all be stored in Storage folders. You can then create any custom folders you need in the destination Account folder in the main window of WLM, and shift the emails to these folders.
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  9. Posts : 824
    Windows 7 Professional 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600)
       #678

    poppa bear said:
    Greg S said:
    Method one doesn't work. It works but as I mentioned earlier, it duplicates the folders on the HD as well as the mail seen in WLM although the old copies say that they can't be found.

    Well I've successfully screwed it up doing this. Now most all emails show the name@mail.com tag in the from heading. Sad part, I didn't take a snapshot prior to this.
    I'm really sorry to hear that Greg. I don't fully understand what you mean when you say Method 1 duplicates the folders on the HD as well as mail seen in WLM? I've used this method on several occasions, and never had a problem with it, and I've talked to other members via PMs who have successfully used it. I am assuming you're importing your emails from WinMail in Windows 7, to WinLiveMail also in Windows 7?

    It is critical in this method to totally clean out the Local Folders in the destination folder of the account folder you select in WLM, as per Step 7. Also, no folders should be manually created in the Account folder under the main folder of AppData, as distinct from drag/dropping the folders from the saved "Imported emails" folder as seen in Step 10. New folders should only be created in the accounts accessed in the main window of WLM.

    When this method is finished you should end up with all the original emails and folders of Inbox, Sent Items, etc, in the destination account folder, (under AppData main folder), and showing only in the Account folder in the left panel of WLM.

    Unfortunately I don't know why the emails are showing the send from name as name@mail.com

    Have you still got your original emails saved in WinMail? If you have, then I'd re-set WinMail as default. Delete all accounts and clean out all emails from WinLiveMail. Then see if your send from box in emails created in WinMail is back to normal.

    If it is, then try re-creating your accounts in WinLiveMail, setting WLM as default and starting the import of emails again. Maybe, to be safe, use Method 2. At least this way your emails will all be stored in Storage folders. You can then create any custom folders you need in the destination Account folder in the main window of WLM, and shift the emails to these folders.
    No problem, I lost only one folder which can be retrieved from various sources on my end. Let's say I have a email folder named Seven Forums in WinMail. I run through the Method one and end up on the hard drive storage with two Seven Folders. One is named Seven Forums and the other is named Seven Forums (1). I open WLM up and all emails in Seven Forums in WLM under Windows Mail heading have been doubled up but only one of each of the double ups work. I go back to the hard drive storage, open up Seven Forums folder and it has only one small file in it. I open the Seven Forums (1) folder and it has all the emails in it. If I delete the Seven Forums folder with the one small file in it and rename the Seven Forums (1) folder to Seven Forums, it automatically re-creates a Seven Forums folder and renames the other to Seven Forums (1).
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  10. Posts : 320
    Win7 Ultimate 64bit Retail
       #679

    Greg S said:
    No problem, I lost only one folder which can be retrieved from various sources on my end. Let's say I have a email folder named Seven Forums in WinMail. I run through the Method one and end up on the hard drive storage with two Seven Folders. One is named Seven Forums and the other is named Seven Forums (1). I open WLM up and all emails in Seven Forums in WLM under Windows Mail heading have been doubled up but only one of each of the double ups work. I go back to the hard drive storage, open up Seven Forums folder and it has only one small file in it. I open the Seven Forums (1) folder and it has all the emails in it. If I delete the Seven Forums folder with the one small file in it and rename the Seven Forums (1) folder to Seven Forums, it automatically re-creates a Seven Forums folder and renames the other to Seven Forums (1).
    Hi Greg, Sorry you're having so much trouble, and I hope I haven't given you misleading information!

    Just to clarify things so I know I'm on the same page as you, when you said in your post:
    I run through the Method one and end up on the hard drive storage with two Seven Folders.
    I presume the hard drive storage you're referring to is: Start > User Name > AppData > Local > Microsoft > Windows Live Mail > BillBloggs, where BillBloggs is the Account name. For purposes of clarity, I'll refer to that BillBloggs account as the one under AppData, as distinct from the one in the main interface of WinLiveMail.

    First off, you cannot manually create new folders in BillBloggs under AppData. Any folders there must have been created through the interface of the main WinMail or WinLiveMail window. When folders are created through the main interface of WLM, the ones that apear in BillBloggs in WLM under AppData are linked to the main interface.

    This means it's one way traffic. Accounts created in WLM go to --> WLM folder under AppData. But any folders created manually in WLM folder in AppData will NOT go to --> WLM main interface. However, you can import folders to WLM under AppData <-- from WinMail folders under AppDats; because they have been pre-linked when they were created through the main interface of WinMail.

    I read your last post and am at a loss to understand what is happening there. It sounds very much like what happened when I tried to manually create a single master folder named "Local Folders" in WinLiveMail folder under AppData. See my post here.

    In essence, I created a new folder in Windows Live Mail folder under AppData and named it Local Folders. I then imported the whole contents of Local Folders from WinMail, including two account files, into the newly created Local Folders folder. I then closed everything, and re-opened Windows Live Mail folder under AppData and the folder I created named Local Folders was empty. What's more, it had created two new folders with the names of the two accounts I had imported into Local Folders. Each account had all the emails relevant to that particular account, and the white account file itself.

    This is why it is important when doing steps 7 - 9 of Method 1, NOT to import the account files across, but ONLY the yellow folders of Inbox, Sent Items, etc. It is equally important to delete ALL the equivalent yellow folders of Inbox, etc, in the destination Account folder in Windows Live Mail under AppData, before importing them across; but do NOT delete the account file in that folder.

    One other thing, if you open BillBloggs under AppData in WLM, and delete every sub-folder of Inbox, Sent Items, etc; they will still be there when you open WLM main window. Also, it will recreate these folders in WinLiveMail under AppData, each time an email is received or sent or moved in Inbox, Sent Items, etc, in the main WLM interface opened from WLM shortcut on desktop.

    Sorry if this is too convoluted. It's intened to help clear the waters, not muddy them.

    Cheers PB
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