Windows Mail

Slartybart · 17 May 2012

endeavor,

Yep, it was easier and safer for me to test using the variables, plus it's the right thing to do.

endeavor said:

Slarty the entry "%ProgramFiles%\Windows Mail\.... you've put in your .bat .....takes care of what we wanted back when EX-Brit brought up the issue in reply to me.....

Most users coming here will not have pimped their computers, so the instructions had to be vanilla. It's more straightforward anyway - you have custom settings or you don't.... works either way.

endeavor said:

..... but after testing on a fresh install or non-modified 7 setup like grits has with User Control On and all the other annoying supposed security things on, I've found you can Not just double click on the bat and have it work, nor can you just right click on the bat and run as Administrator it won't work either;.....
..... real "Administrator" cmd prompt First and then proceed then there will be success in all setups, and I see you have done that already in your tut, nice job.

You put a lot of effort into making the re-write better. I incorporated some of your feedback into it, I excluded some because your suggestion didn't work on my machine (no tweaks), other things are considered a contingency.

So far everyone who has tried it had no problems..... but that's only a few. I'll be curious to see how the tutorial works for someone who upgraded from Vista or is still on Win7 w/o SP1.

Peace!

endeavor · 17 May 2012

I've said this before and I'd like to say it again...

For myself, and I'm sure many others, I will use WinMail till the year 2020+ or whenever I switch to a new OS...

I love using WinMail ! ...and I love using the Newsgroup aspect of it too, aamof, here's a Screenshot of my WM gui shown after it's fully setup, and opened to a random Newsgroup post. Or here's a Screenshot of just the local folders toolbar Outbox gui.

The fact that I don't need to install yet another separate email client on 7, but just activate one that's already there, appeals to me, not to mention the fact that I've used Outlook Express since it was developed back in what.. 1996? ...I'm just used to it, heck I still have the same wife too <g>

grits · 18 May 2012

I had earlier PM'd endeavor about losing my WM after my post #1232 & he suggested I post instead of PM but it was a quick fix after I deleted the desktop ini that I still had from my earlier try of either the EKMantis batch or the original page 1 tutorial. At least for now I have it, if I lose it again & IF I can remember my steps, I will post here.

In the meantime though, I'm not going to use it because in my excitement of finally getting it activated I lost my head & set up the wrong email account (I have 2 with similar addresses) so now have to search help somewhere to see if I can have 2 different addy's in one WM account or install some other email client for 2nd one. I'm also having an issue with IE9 being sooo slow & want to TRY to resolve it before I accumulate any more emails into WM.

endeavor · 19 May 2012

grits said:

I had earlier PM'd endeavor about losing my WM after my post #1232 & he suggested I post instead of PM but it was a quick fix after I deleted the desktop ini that I still had from my earlier try of either the EKMantis batch or the original page 1 tutorial. At least for now I have it, if I lose it again & IF I can remember my steps, I will post here..

Originally Posted by grits
Thanks but I should have posted back shortly after my last one 'cuz leave it to me, I lost WM. Don't have the foggiest idea what I did to cause that but am really disgusted with myself that I didn't go into options to 'leave mail on server after download' 'cuz now I've lost 88 emails that I'd left on server 'til I got WM.
Do you want me to post this on forum or keep it in PM's?

Yes I had asked you to post on the forum so that others could learn from any resolves, of which they would not see if if it was only PM.

Your PM just said "I lost WM" ...now you understand that in itself is not enough detail really to determine anything, we always need more thorough details surrounding what happened.
About that setting to leave mail on the server, well MS default is set to not leave them on server which I personally prefer it that way, but yes in some cases there may be reasons you'd want to change it, do what's best for you. Perhaps going forward until you get your email situation setup the way you want just change that setting for what's best for you.

Now about why you lost WinMail? in the PM I had suggested you didn't lose anything and perhaps like happened before to you your desktop shortcut was removed, either by a stock 7 setup has that silly program that cleans up your desktop shortcuts, etc, for me I always turn those (to me) annoying features off; actually I turn most of the UAC and other supposed security settings settings off, even 'Automatic' Windows Update, but ymmv.
In that PM I suggested to you that you don't just lose WM, and in case it was just the shortcut deleted you could just go to:
C:\Program Files\Windows Mail
..and right click on 'WinMail' in that list of files and Send to: Shortcut to Desktop.
So is that what you did to get WinMail back?

I never mentioned anything about deleting a desktop.ini file, I'm not sure where you got that from?
However those will only appear if you have your settings set to show Hidden System Files, and in your case I don't see why you need to have that set that way. Just go to this post Hidden Files and Folders - Show or Hide and put that setting back to where it was, no problem.

I'm also having an issue with IE9 being sooo slow & want to TRY to resolve it before I accumulate any more emails into WM.

Questions about IE9 are better asked in one of the other forums at https://www.sevenforums.com/ ...Most likely at the Browsers & Mail forum there, but depending on the subject there is a forum for everything there, and when you post in the right forum you increase your chances of getting more/best help for that specific problem. This thread we're posting in now is the Tutorial section called "How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7" and so we want to keep it to just that. Post your non-reinstate WinMail questions in the proper forum for the best help.

fwiw though, I like IE9, but do agree IE8 may have been just a 'little' bit snappier even though IE9 was touted as being faster was something I never noticed, but I do like some of it's other features. If you're saying IE9 is crawling slow and you have a fast isp connection, then yes it should be pretty fast, if it's not go to the above forum and post about it.

In the meantime though, I'm not going to use it because in my excitement of finally getting it activated I lost my head & set up the wrong email account (I have 2 with similar addresses) so now have to search help somewhere to see if I can have 2 different addy's in one WM account or install some other email client for 2nd one.

Since it's a Mail forum at that link above for Browsers & Mail I gave you, you could ask about how to delete your extra email account you want to do there. But grits since you're here at the moment... grits it's very easy to do, it will be something like:
...open up WinMail, go to the top tab of Tools> Accounts> ...and in here simply highlight the account you don't want anymore, and click the delete button, but Be Sure you delete the right one!!! Don't delete the one you have all your 88 emails in that you mentioned above, so Be Careful! which one you delete!

all the best

Slartybart · 19 May 2012

Grits,

I'm not sure what you wrote in your PM to endeavor, but I'll try to address some things I do see. I think you can the desktop.ini because the original tut directed you to change your folder view options, however.. you missed the final instruction "Restore normal..." or it wasn't exactly clear what to do. Normally desktop.ini files are hidden.

To change folder view back to normal:
Control Panel ==> Folder Options == > View Tab
==> Advanced Settings menu
Click the Radio Button labeled "Don't show hidden..."
Mark the Checkbox labeled "Hide protected..."
Click OK until you exit the Folder options dialog.

Note: the new tut does not change folder view options since the build shortcut step uses a different approach.

grits said:

... but it was a quick fix after I deleted the desktop ini that I still had from my earlier try of either the EKMantis batch or the original page 1 tutorial......

Every eMail client lets you set up multiple addresses. You might have to set up two accounts, even if they point to the same mail server, each account retrieves messages from the server for a login address. Your service provider should have all of the information you need on how to configure eMail clients.

grits said:

... set up the wrong email account (I have 2 with similar addresses) so now have to search help somewhere to see if I can have 2 different addy's in one WM account or install some other email client for 2nd one.

Tip

Lost WM grits?

Probably not. For some reason it seems as though your WinMail shortcuts disappear. You have an earlier post saying pretty much the same thing "....can't find ANY shortcuts for WinMail"

I'm not going to try and figure out all of the things you've done to get to this point, but I'll offer an easy fix (I think). Bring up the the local tutorial and simply follow the step -Create a shortcut. That's it. I don't think you have to restart - you're just making a shortcut. all of your settings and eMails should still be in WinMail.

This is not going to solve WHY your shortcut disappears, just get you back up and running.

Peace!

grits · 20 May 2012

Sorry folks for leaving you 'up in the air'. I wanted to be able to post something that made sense but will try to hit the high spots.

No, I didn't really lose WM.
I don't however know what I did to lose the desktop shortcut & most other WM listings throughout my PC. It was simple to get it back like endeavor says above, C:\Program Files, right click & Send Shortcut to desktop. It had nothing to do with the 'ini', that was just my own mis-understanding of what he meant. My own mis-understanding of the 'Hidden Files' mixup was due to my own mistake of confusing myself between my earlier tries with the Original Tutorial of page one, then the batch file by EKMntis, then the current method.

It boils down to this: Slartybart & endeavor have done a fantastic job of putting this together! It really was simple. Any problems I had were self caused.

If you really want WM activated in Windows 7 don't hesitate for another minute, download Slarty's zip from a page or two back, follow the instructions & you're set.

Slartybart · 20 May 2012

grits,

Good point on your attempts to Reinstate WinMail. If someone wants to get WinMail back, there are two paths to take.

Follow the original tutorial (EKMantis's batch files make it easier-but there's not a whole lot of documentation for that) and find the post with a solution to issues that might crop up. Or,
use the new tutorial
- but don't take both paths.

Don't be too hard on yourself, you had already started the original tutorial before I even joined, so you didn't have the option. People make mistakes (read a few real early posts "If I only followed the instructions...." or "I see what I missed...").

The point is, you tried and failed, you tried again and succeeded.

Peace!

RA5C · 22 May 2012

Thank you very much.

grits · 25 May 2012

The SFC/SCANNOW issue from way back is now moot isn't it? If I were to run SFC it wouldn't affect my Windows Mail?

oops, forgot this . . . when I try to send a link from a web page 'To email recipient' , it opens my Eudora instead of WM & WM isn't listed in 'Program Defaults'.

endeavor · 26 May 2012

grits said:

The SFC/SCANNOW issue from way back is now moot isn't it? If I were to run SFC it wouldn't affect my Windows Mail? .

Yes that's correct, and our own Greg S (nice work Greg) took care of that SFC with WM problem back in this Post. As well I have tested it to prove it out and after running SFC no changes were made to my WM operation; but the fix was specifically to stop the msoe.dll from being reverted and that does work and has been proven, and that fix is already included within the WinMailEdit.reg

oops, forgot this . . . when I try to send a link from a web page 'To email recipient' , it opens my Eudora instead of WM & WM isn't listed in 'Program Defaults'.

I probably could give you a reg key to get that back, mine works just fine however I do not have any other email applications installed except for WM, but remember there are a Number of minor 'brokens' or glitches that do not work on WM anymore doing it on 7, one being if you click the work 'offline' button WM will crash, and a few other minor things all of which I don't even use anyway. Point is, some things on this WM on 7 are broken and obviously won't be fixed ever.
If you want to send someone a web link in an email just copy/paste it in, etc...