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Windows 7: Taskbar Always On Top - Disable or Enable


12 Jan 2010   #69
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 
Taskbar Always On Top - Disable or Enable

How to Disable or Enable Taskbar Always on Top in Windows 7


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26 Aug 2010   #70
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Thanks for info, I will see what I can do (it might take a little bit longer as I'm taking it a easy with computer time, curing out a little fever/illnes from the other day).

Do you happen to have the full KB number of the "offending" update?

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26 Aug 2010   #71
shlasasha

w7 32
 
 

I'm not 100% sure there are 2 updates:
Application Compatibility Update for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: August 2010
The QueryPathOfRegTypeLib function does not return the correct path for a 32-bit version of an application in a 64-bit edition of Windows 7 or in Windows Server 2008 R2
Second one looks more probable
What's happening- as soon as I run your utility Win says "Explorer stopped responding" "Restarting win Explorer" something like that. After that win explorer is restarted.

Thanks for your effort!
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29 Aug 2010   #72
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

I looked at the updates now. None of them update explorer.exe (as can be seen on the list of affected files on their respective web pages). To double check I also installed them, and everything still ran fine here. The only update I'm aware of, that updates explorer.exe, is KB977074, and if you're using any recent version of DisableTaskbarOnTop it will work for that too.

However there have been one or two reports, earlier in the thread of, where there are similar explorer crash issues IIRC. I don't remember if there was any resolution to them, you could skim through the thread and see if you find something. So the updates shouldn't have directly caused any problem, but it's possible that something was affected in the system which in turn triggers the (seemingly) rare issue.

Unless you also changed something security wise during your latest update (anti-virus stuff), I don't really have any good guesses. If you're running the app automatically (Startup folder), by "Run..." in Start Menu or by a shortcut pinned to the task bar / quick launch bar / start menu, you could try running it "manually" by double clicking on the exe file and see if that makes any difference.
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19 Sep 2010   #73
jbperez

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

This is the first and only tweak I've tried that finally disables the taskbar always on top behaviour for the most final and recent builds of Windows 7.

So does this mean that the running explorer really has to be patched and that a registry mod is really out of the question?



In XP, with Mouse-X, the taskbar would auto-raise-to-top even if auto-raise is off, which although the wrong behavior was something I preferred (I only want the taskbar to auto-raise when moused over, but not other windows). A seemingly reasonable compromise here is to use auto-hide instead.
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19 Sep 2010   #74
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jbperez View Post
So does this mean that the running explorer really has to be patched and that a registry mod is really out of the question?
From what I can tell, based on creating this app, no registry mod is possible because the behavior unfortunately seems to be hardcoded. Hopefully MS addresses this in not too distant future.
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28 Oct 2010   #75
JackFrost

Win 7 Ultimate, 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
I put up a new version with a command-line option to undo changes and restore original taskbar behavior, in case you want to use that.



Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dreadnaut View Post
Is there any to get exactly the old behaviour? that is, taskbar goes behind the other windows, but if I hit the side of the screen with the mouse cursor, it comes into the foreground like in auto-hide mode?
In case you read this, I also added a command-line option for this.

I didn't see any thank you button so registered just to say thank you Tweaker. The command line /toponly (duplicating the old behavior of autohide=on and always on top=off) is EXACTLY what I needed.
(frankly I'm not sure I get the use case for the original form where autohide stops working, but I'm glad you made it and hey, to each his own..)

I just upgd'd to Win 7 about 3 days ago.

I'm what most call a power user for many years now and at least 8yrs ago started putting my start bar on the right edge of the screen and about 3 or 4 inches wide. This lets me read full window names and is handy when I have 8 or 10 browser windows or image or word processing or spreadsheet windows (or some of all of the above) open at once (plus media monkey and/or vlc, Thunderbird, an FTP window, an SSH or RDP.... you get the point..) It also lets the column of app windows split in two when it gets longer. For me the jury is still out but I'm not sure I like the taskbar 'grouping' feature of 7 but I'll move on...

You cannot know how frustrated I was to find that this limit was not only in Win 7 but looks like a deliberate move by MS to remove it (and doesn't look like they intend to add back from some of the bits I've read, something about the way the system tray works now and it has to be that way for alerts?? ludicrous!).

Anyway, I was so pissed I was genuinely considering going back to XP. It's foolish on MS's part to think that I should rethink a keystone of my daily workflow because I'm apparently too stupid to decide for myself whether or not I want the taskbar on top.

"Good lord! We must save the user from themselves!!! What if he hides it and doesn't see that his cd finished burning! Or that there are 7 new updates to download, RIGHT THIS SECOND!!!", lol.

In any case, thanks way too much. Your little utility (flaws and all ) has made win 7 acceptable (and thank god, because it's so much better than xp in so many other ways...).

I do hope you'll keep this little gem updated as needed over time (or hand it over or open source it if/when you no longer can). I see this being needed at least till Windows 8 or beyond .

Thanks kindly Tweaker. It's good of you to share this and it will be handy for me and many others I know like me.

Have a beer or two and I raise my glass with you.

Kind regards,
J.
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29 Oct 2010   #76
Castaa

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I upgraded to Windows 7 x64 Service Pack 1 (release candidate) and now DisableTaskbarOnTop64.exe returns an error: Unknow Explorer Version, can't apply patch

And this workaround stops working as it should.
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29 Oct 2010   #77
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Castaa View Post
I upgraded to Windows 7 x64 Service Pack 1 (release candidate) and now DisableTaskbarOnTop64.exe returns an error: Unknow Explorer Version, can't apply patch
I'm afraid I won't be installing anything that isn't a final release, but if you could zip and send me your explorer.exe (in C:\Windows) I could have a look. For example through sendspace (Free large file hosting. Send big files the easy way!). You could PM me the link if you don't want to post it.

There have been one or two reports previously of that error after an update (and if I undertand it correctly the SP is just a bundle of previously released updates), however when I installed the update(s), explorer.exe remained unchanged and the tool still worked for me. So if you could send me yours it might make things easier to figure out.

Alternatively, allthough much less conclusive, you could check explorer.exe properties (right click on the exe file and click properties) and let me know exactly how many bytes it is (Size, not Size on disk) and the Modified date. That might indicate if it actually has been updated.
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29 Oct 2010   #78
Castaa

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tweaker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Castaa View Post
I upgraded to Windows 7 x64 Service Pack 1 (release candidate) and now DisableTaskbarOnTop64.exe returns an error: Unknow Explorer Version, can't apply patch
I'm afraid I won't be installing anything that isn't a final release, but if you could zip and send me your explorer.exe (in C:\Windows) I could have a look. For example through sendspace (Free large file hosting. Send big files the easy way!). You could PM me the link if you don't want to post it.

There have been one or two reports previously of that error after an update (and if I undertand it correctly the SP is just a bundle of previously released updates), however when I installed the update(s), explorer.exe remained unchanged and the tool still worked for me. So if you could send me yours it might make things easier to figure out.

Alternatively, allthough much less conclusive, you could check explorer.exe properties (right click on the exe file and click properties) and let me know exactly how many bytes it is (Size, not Size on disk) and the Modified date. That might indicate if it actually has been updated.
Sure, here's the link to upgraded explorer.exe: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38226/explorer.zip
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29 Oct 2010   #79
tweaker

w7-64, w2k
 
 

Thanks, downloaded (in case you want to delete it again).
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