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Windows 7: Imaging with free Macrium

04 Nov 2013   #750
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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It would also be more convenient than using the disk when making an image.
The main convenience is that the installed Macrium keeps your XML files with which you can easily start the second, third, etc. image without having to redo the definitions. Just highlight the XML file and click on the cog wheel.

I recommend to give a useful name to the XML file. That is done in the very last step before the imaging starts. Such a name is useful if you image different partitions or make images on different output devices (which is always recommended). I always alternate between an output device that is permanently attached and a device that is only attached for the images.


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04 Nov 2013   #751
Scoop

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
 
 

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True, an image is bootable after the recovery process (otherwise, why bother with imaging?) but a clone is bootable as is; you can boot directly from the disk the clone is on without having to do anything to or with it.

To use a photographic analogy, think of an image as a photo negative and a clone as a photo print. You can use the photo print as is but you have to use the image to make a print to be able to use it.
Thanks again, good analogy . I think this is the reason that I gravitated towards cloning and learned about that before imaging due to the "plug-and-play" cloning routine since I can boot up immediately after cloning to test it as a complete copied spare HDD.

I see the pro's and con's to both, depending on what the user's goal is with their system and preferences.

For me to do what I want, I'd need to get a larger external HDD in order to keep more than 1 full-disc image for a system HDD recovery.

I may just stay with what I have since I'm using the image primarily as a failsafe against any possible cloning issues, which I've not yet encountered during 2 years of cloning.

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...Thanks. I used the WinPE CD when I imaged. I used the link that you had previously posted here. I don't have Macrium Free loaded onto my HDD...
That might be the problem. I've used the WinPE disk to restore images but never to actually make one. I suspect using the disk to make an image is going to be slower than doing it directly from the installation of Reflect on your computer. It would also be more convenient than using the disk when making an image.
I think you're onto something . I might just download the Free version to my HDD to compare imaging speeds.

Since this is all a learning curve with Macruim and imaging for me, I wanted to try the ISO download first to see how it worked out.

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It would also be more convenient than using the disk when making an image.
The main convenience is that the installed Macrium keeps your XML files with which you can easily start the second, third, etc. image without having to redo the definitions. Just highlight the XML file and click on the cog wheel.

I recommend to give a useful name to the XML file. That is done in the very last step before the imaging starts. Such a name is useful if you image different partitions or make images on different output devices (which is always recommended). I always alternate between an output device that is permanently attached and a device that is only attached for the images.
Thanks I gave my first backup folder the "date" name, "Backup 11-03-13" for my first full-disc backup folder.

I plan on downloading the Free version to my HDD today.

Macrium created this file on my external HDD when I ran the full-disc image:

7B4B17EBFCB245C6-00-00.mrimg

That is the file that's located in my backup folder.

Is the file supposed to be an xml suffix file?

Editorial column :

I still don't get why more home PC users don't use a cloning or imaging routine. I read posts daily at the Norton and MBAM forums where users have to seek out recovery downloads or spend $$'s to clean their HDD's.

I wonder if some of the reason is related to the learning curve part or many may be intimidated by the terminology. I know that's partly what kept me from diving into basic backup schemes although I've always backed up my "must-have" items, Outlook data file, Quicken, etc.

I've posted a few things about backups at those forums to try and help users avoid the annoyance of recovering from malicious HDD intrusions. "I've been there, done that" .
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04 Nov 2013   #752
SIW2

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I still don't get why more home PC users don't use a cloning or imaging routine.
I think a lot don't know anything about it. For the average user, it has never crossed their minds. That is a shame because they are the ones who would benefit most from it. No need to get anal about it . For most people just an image of the os partition that is not too old will do.

More advanced users are less in need of it. I have all the media, updated, all my program installers,etc. I can start with clean install and put everything back together.
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04 Nov 2013   #753
kado897

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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
 
 

The file name and extension is correct. The xml file referred to by whs is a backup definition file which allows you to store a backup definition. It is only used as a quick way to perform the same backup again.
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04 Nov 2013   #754
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
I think a lot don't know anything about it. For the average user, it has never crossed their minds. That is a shme becuase they are the ones who would benefit most from it.

More advanced users are less in need of it. I have all the media, updated, all my program installers,etc. I can start with clean install and put everything back together.
Unfortunately, if Windows 8.1 is anything to go by, Microsoft don't agree.
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04 Nov 2013   #755
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

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if Windows 8.1 is anything to go by
LOL. In fact the windows system image thing is in 8.1, they put it back after taking it out. Quite weird. They claim they do it by telemetry - e.g. les than 1% use whatever function therefore it gets the chop. 5 mins later, they put it back in. Then they hide it where the average user is not going to look. Something wrong with going purely on telemetry perhaps?
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04 Nov 2013   #756
kado897

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

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I didn't know they had put it back.
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04 Nov 2013   #757
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You have to seek it out. It is probably part of their new "we will listen" campaign. They are not very interested in it though. They are pushing this new refresh thing. It has it's uses I suppose, but also a lot of limitations. It is, as aver, all about the "apps". I can't say I am interested in any of them. I have look every now and then to check. I can do the same things better and more easily via a desktop browser. That is only for as long as we have a desktop, of course.

Windows 7 will be around for a long while yet from the looks of what else MS is now offering.
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04 Nov 2013   #758
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote:
It would also be more convenient than using the disk when making an image.
The main convenience is that the installed Macrium keeps your XML files with which you can easily start the second, third, etc. image without having to redo the definitions. Just highlight the XML file and click on the cog wheel.

I recommend to give a useful name to the XML file. That is done in the very last step before the imaging starts. Such a name is useful if you image different partitions or make images on different output devices (which is always recommended). I always alternate between an output device that is permanently attached and a device that is only attached for the images.
I don't even bother with the XML files anymore. For me (not necessarily true for everyone), it's much easier to configure each time. Since I image only one drive on my desktop, I only have to click on the C: drive, then Image and Reflect remembers my last configuration. Cloning is simply as easy as clicking on the source drive, Clone, then the destination drive.
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04 Nov 2013   #759
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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Is the file supposed to be an xml suffix file?
This is NOT the XML file but your image. If you double click on it, you can mount the image and it will appear in My Computer as a virtual volume. You can deal with that like with any other volume. If you open it (double click), you can e.g. retrieve files from it. You can also shrink it, image it and do anything you could do with a real volume.

Your XML file(s) is in Documents in the Reflect folder. If you ever want to get rid of it, it's best to delete it there rather than in the list of XML files in Macrium.
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