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Windows 7: SSD / HDD : Optimize for Windows Reinstallation

02 Feb 2016   #360
ThrashZone

Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
 
 

Hi and welcome to SevenForums,
You might resize the installs partition after the install and use this instead,
Quote:
Diskpart
List disk
Select disk n (where n is the number that was given for your SSD in List disk)
Clean
Create partition primary align=1024
Format fs=ntfs quick
Active (assuming you want to install an OS)
Exit



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09 Feb 2016   #361
Ser DerpALot

Texas
 
 

Hi, I followed the website and tried method 1 and 2. When I go to select the drive it still says the it can't install to drive because it can't create nor find a partition. Installing to an internal HHD, installing from a Windows CD.
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20 Sep 2016   #362
xhemal1325

Windows 8.1 Professional x64
 
 

Hi, im going for a clean windows installation on my laptop , so if i do the clean all which takes hours to complete will it improve speed of my hard drive compared to clean ?
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20 Sep 2016   #363
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Hello xhemal,

There's no need to do all that. A simple clean install using the method in the tutorial below will work fine.

Clean Install Windows 7
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20 Sep 2016   #364
xhemal1325

Windows 8.1 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post
Hello xhemal,

There's no need to do all that. A simple clean install using the method in the tutorial below will work fine.

Clean Install Windows 7

Hi Brink, thanks for your answer, i did this method the last time too, I just thought the cleann all way was better
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20 Sep 2016   #365
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

You really only may want to use "clean all" if you're not keeping the PC to help make sure it's thoroughly wiped clean.
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07 Nov 2016   #366
soewhaty

Win 7 x64
 
 

Hi guys! The word 'Optimize' from the OP caught my attention so I gotta ask this:

1. Does an SSD or HDD run faster once all data on it have been Securely Deleted and then new data are written?

2. Is there any risk of more wear and tear to the drive when we run Secure Delete? I'm about to run in on an 2 HDDs and 1 SSD. There is more risk on the SSD ofc, but for a one time it should be ok. The SSD is SAMSUNG 850 PRO 256GB 2.5in SATA III 6.0GbsP (MZ-7KE256BW) with Total Bytes Written so far 8.7TB out of promised 150TB life-time from Samsung. The HDDs are 1. an external, 7-years-old, 1TB WD Elements USB 2.0 WDE1UBK10000E and an internal Toshiba MK1059GSMP 1TB 5400RPM 8MB Cache SATA II 3.0GbsP. I mean, ofc not Secure Deleting every day but in general would running secure delete put that much wear? For now I'm planning only a one time Secure Delete so I guess that's fine but better to ask.
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07 Nov 2016   #367
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Hello soewhaty,

Q1) The physical speed of a drive will not be changed by this. It will just take longer to secure erase than it would to delete normally. You could TRIM a SSD or defrag a HDD as needed to help make it more efficient.

Q2) A drive does have a limited amount of reads and writes in its lifetime before failing. I wouldn't recommend to always secure erase all the time on a SSD, but doing so only as needed not often wouldn't be as bad. Usually you would only want to secure erase if you are selling, giving, or disposing of the drive, or occasionally wanting to make sure deleted items stay deleted.
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07 Nov 2016   #368
ICIT2LOL

Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
 
 

As Brink has said mate depends great deal on your usage but most of the SSD' I have used since swapping over have warranties and wear usages of approx ten years - unless you do some outrageously foolish stuff with them. See this for some really interesting facts about hard drives in general.
Solid-state drive - Wikipedia this should allay some of your concerns.
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07 Nov 2016   #369
soewhaty

Win 7 x64
 
 

Thanks to both of you for the replies Yes, my SSD has 10 years of warranty and many TBW left ... as i said I've only written 8TB out of 150TB Samsung promise so np I'm not asking things in general about SSDs. More about 'Secure Deletion'.

q1) Indeed I do realize that the physical speed won't change. What I was referring to was - wouldn't the drive work quicker or more efficient if there's less clutter? I say clutter cos I knot that simply deleting or shift+deleting files does not really delete them forever, it generally only means the data blocks involved are flagged as not in use. That's where I was thinking that a secure delete would wipe everything clean and thus the drive would run faster, but perhaps I was mistaken.

As to trimming and defragging, yes HDD I do defrag, SSD's clearly never. But trimming the SSD is done by the OS (Windows does it by itself) as long as you don't disable it via CMD and do it with 3rd party tools like 'Solid State Doctor'.

q2) Agreed and 10x

q3) I think both with 'Solid State Doctor' and with 'Samsung Magician' one can perform a secure delete/wipe of the whole drive, but the point is - how to do it just before reinstalling OS. I guess the OP is the only way, no?
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