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Windows 7: Windows Explorer Auto Arrange - Disable

04 Mar 2014   #430

hack explained

this hack is good. solves the problem. this hack has side effects. a hack that has no side effects is difficult to find (if it exists).

this hack does not disable auto arrange. it disables an aspect of auto arrange. the aspect of auto arrange that it disables is auto sort by name. the other aspects of auto arrange are things like how folders get positioned before files, and things like gaps between items are taken away. this hack does not disable those aspects, but instead gives you the option to apply them, by applying auto arrange, which is by checking auto arrange from the menu. the aspect that is disabled is auto sorting by name. when you check auto arrange, all other aspects take effect, but sort by name does not. it is disabled. auto arrange is not disabled, auto sort by name is disabled. i should also say that strictly speaking, this hack does not disable auto sort by name. the first time you go into a folder of items, they have got to be sorted in some way, and the way they are sorted is by name (except in special situations). so, in a sense, auto sort by name is not disabled. items are auto sorting by name. the point to understand is that sorting by name is not forced on you (you are able to manually change their positions). so, to be exact, what this hack disables is your inability to manually change the positions of files. auto sort still occurs.

what are the side effects of this hack?

if auto arrange is not checked, and if you try to rename a group of files (by highlighting them all), then the naming sequence goes from top to bottom, then across and top to bottom, then across and top to bottom, etc. if checked, the sequence goes left to right, then down and left to right, then down and left to right, etc. this second way is the way the system renames files by default.

this is a very interesting side effect. it's interesting if you try to understand why it happens. but first i will say what happens. if you change the position of a file while both auto arrange and align to grid are checked, then, before closing the window down, if you choose to Sort by Name (or [probably] other sorting methods too), you will find that nothing happens. if you do it again, it finally responds. and when it responds, items sort by Name, except they sort from z to a, not from a to z. if you sort by Name one more time, they will sort by name (from a to z).

why does this happen?
well, when you manually move an item to a new position, it is still registered in part x of the system that items are sorted by name. this is because, as far as the system is concerned, manual sort is not possible. it didn't happen. part x of the system thinks that files are arranged by name, even though they are not. part y of the system knows they are not arranged by name, and we know this because, when you move a file and then click Sort by, the Name item is not checked anymore. now, when you chose to Sort by Name, nothing happens. this is because part x thinks they are already arranged by name (from a-z), and so does not sort anything. part y knows they are not, but the only thing part y does is check off Name again in the menu (since it knows you just clicked Name). now, when you click Name again, they sort by name, but from z to a. why do they now sort? because part x of the system knows they are arranged by name (a-z), and sorts them the other way (z to a). basically, when you clicked Name again, it was a click that meant something to part x of the system, and it meant "sort the items from z to a". the first time you clicked Name, it meant "sort the items from a to z", but it did not prompt part x of the system to sort items from a to z because they already were (according to the system) sorted from a to z. this, or something very close to this, is the reason that click goes unresponsive.

there are other side effects too, but i need to go. the other side effects are a bit less important though, i think.

thank you for this hack.

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04 Mar 2014   #431

Win7 Ultimate 32b

Any way to sort folders and files all mixed together?
Does Win8 explorer have bug described here?
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04 Mar 2014   #432


manually, after applying the hack, yes.

but that's probably not what you want.

i don't think there is a way to sort, using one of the sorting options, where files and folders end up properly sorted (that is, where folder Always appears beside file Attack, followed by folder Balloon beside file Bread [sort by name]).

there are things you can do to speed up manually sorting files and folders (where they end up mixed).

if you just need to sort files and folders by some property, just a one time thing but too difficult to go in by hand, then you have some other options. but if you want some system button to click and then files and folders are mixed and sorted, i don't think so.
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05 Mar 2014   #433


why can't you just move them to the right places, then rename them all by highlighting them all, right clicking the first pic, choosing rename, and calling it " (1) "? the second will auto name to (2), and so on. now picture viewer will play them in the order you want, since the order you want is now alphanumeric order. if you do this, make sure align to grid and auto arrange are both checked off before renaming.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lolypop126 View Post
Hi, yes that option , to right click and rename, is open to me...but to be frank, I'm kinda not sure what happens to the picture at that point. I told you the truth when I said I am tech-challenged! Sometimes when I go to rename something, it'll get right down into the " ETGPP.jpeg1' type of format and I have no idea how I navigated there. If I remove all that and just type in 0100, or do I have to type in 001.jpeg, and/or will it remove anything important? Also, will the change that I do in the explorer window change the number of the photo in the Library?
What I'm really asking, is can anything I do manually on each file by renaming them be a permanent change so that the LIBRARY will also reflect the new order. I'm willing, in some photo files, to go to all the trouble of renumbering them if it's going to do any good at all. ( this is what I understood Jon to be doing).
I thank you for your patience, as I know most of the people in these threads actually know all this basic stuff that I don't have the brain to intuitively understand.!

regards and maybe talk to you tomorrow.
Oh, by the way, I posted your tutorial and downloadable fix onto the original thread from Windows forum, and had an immediate reply that was toooo funny...he laughed, cried, danced around and squealed like a little girl with joy!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Brink View Post

Unfortunately, it will still show the next picture like that in alphabetical order in the player/viewer no matter how you have them arranged in the folder.

How you have them arranged is only for the purposes of viewing them in Windows Explorer.

Are you able to right click on the file in Windows Explorer, and click on "Rename" to name the file to how you want the order to be when viewing them in the player?
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05 Mar 2014   #434


im not getting new files going to beginning of LIST with auto arrange checked off. btw auto arrange checked off is forced when viewing LISTS.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Xap View Post
Same problem. When auto arrange is disabled, new files are storred at the begining of the list. Pretty annoying...
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28 Mar 2014   #435

Windows 7 Utimate x64

Is there any way to enable auto arrange by default without disabling sorting?
So I don't to enable auto arrange everytime I'm in icon view. Like this Folder - Imgur
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28 Mar 2014   #436

64-bit Windows 10 Pro

Hello Beaux, and welcome to Seven Forums.

Unfortunately, sorting is part of auto arrange. I'm afraid that you'll need to enable it per folder again as needed.
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29 Mar 2014   #437

Windows 7 Utimate x64

Thanks for the quick response.
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20 Apr 2014   #438

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Help please!

Hello,i'm new here so excuse me if I posted in wrong place.

How can I keep auto arrange disabled with the old Tiles instead of Extended tiles ?
I've used a disablefullrowautoarrange.reg file from the forum.
Auto Arrange?
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20 Apr 2014   #439

64-bit Windows 10 Pro

Hello syb, and welcome to Seven Forums.

I'm afraid that I don't know of a way to prevent it from using extended tiles when auto arrange is disabled.
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