| Windows 7: XP x64 in VirtualBox on Win7 x64 optimum setup |
15 Mar 2013
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#1 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Just outside Detroit |
XP x64 in VirtualBox on Win7 x64 optimum setup What would be the best configuration for the Virtual Computer?
I have 8 Cores in the system, would putting 8 in the XP VM be good or bad [for multi-tasking]
How much memory? Depending on how you look at it, I have 16, 15, 12, or 11 Gigs. [Four 4 Gig sticks, 1 Gig shared Video, 4 gigs for RamDrive]
As for use of the systems: Right now, it is the only desktop in the house [not counting the server] and it's used by everyone. MOSTLY surfing the web, and some smaller games.
The XP system is mostly used by me for now, mainly getting it to function properly. SOME flash games, havn't tried a real game on it yet... | My System Specs |
| System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq SR5710F [Case only] OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD FX 8150 [16 Megs total Cache] Motherboard Asus M5A88-M Memory 16 Gigs [4 Gigs used for RAMDrive, 1 Gig for Shared Vid mem] Graphics Card Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU Sound Card ALC892 8-Channel High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays VGA main, HDMI to TV Screen Resolution VGA Screen: 1440 x 900 TV Screen: 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Wireless Mouse Wireless PSU 850 Watt Case Compaq SR5710F Cooling Default Hard Drives 120 Gig SSD 80-Gig secondary [VMs]
~2TB on server. [My Docs, Photos, Music, Desktop folders are on the server] Internet Speed Slow-ish Broadband Other Info 4 Gig RamDrive Y:\
Blue-Ray DL drive Z:\
Server: 2Ghz Single core, with about 2TB on it. WinServ2003Enterprise
MacBook: 2Ghz Core2Duo, 2Gigs, Snow 160Gigs
Toshiba Lap: 2.4Ghz, Single Core, Win7
Acer AspireOne: 1.6Ghz, Dual-Core, 1 Gig, XP Home
HP Lap: 1.8[?] Quad-Core, Win7
4 Android Devices
2 iPod Touch |
15 Mar 2013
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#2 | | Windows 7 x64 x86 North Western Indianapolis |
Hi.
I would give XP 4 cores and no more. You most likely need the other 4 to run the host OS and everything else that is running. Xp64 will take as much RAM as you can throw at it but to be reasonable I would give it 8GB. That is how I run my XP64 VM in VMWare player, 4 cores and 8GB. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Bluethunder OS Windows 7 x64 x86 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1050T Motherboard ASUS M4A77T/USB3 (AM3) Memory G Skill F3-12800CL9-4GBXL 16gb Graphics Card Gigabyte Silent GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS Monitor(s) Displays LG L227WTG Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard IBM Mouse Logitech Laser LED PSU ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT 620W ATX12V SLI Case Rocketfish Full Tower Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus with push pull fans Hard Drives ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3250410AS ATA Device
ST3160212SCE ATA Device
ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device Internet Speed Never fast enough Antivirus Avast and MSE on certian Virtual Machines Browser Firefox Other Info My other machine (Indianatone)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/1UK7LitZUqfPUBDlPZSg7Hv
This machine (Bluethunder)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/HOHBCzQyUsv3j6PVu3Qf2Fj
Chat Machine (Shadow)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/FWdeKU0m2B3yyyG6RBZAXUD
All three of the machines are fed to three LG L227WTG @ 1680 x 1050 16:10 monitors.
Using Mouse Without Borders (Google it) |
16 Mar 2013
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#3 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Just outside Detroit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone Hi.
I would give XP 4 cores and no more. You most likely need the other 4 to run the host OS and everything else that is running. Xp64 will take as much RAM as you can throw at it but to be reasonable I would give it 8GB. That is how I run my XP64 VM in VMWare player, 4 cores and 8GB. Out of curiousity, I did launch [a long time ago] XP once with 8 cores. All CPU Meter told me 100% load on all cores for several minutes, then it went down to some with no load, the rest with very little. I ran a few apps on Windows 7, focused on CPU load, nothing weird. Don't remember what [IF] I ran on XP or loads... [Edit note: I do think I MIGHT have had XP limited to 50%]
I never REALLY TESTED to see what would happen if I tried to use either of them that would have put a load on them. I did notice that it takes longer to load XP than with less cores.
I KNOW it will run, and appears to be OK, but didn't do any real tests. Has anybody tested with multi-cores, and using all in the VM?
Last edited by JoesMorgue; 16 Mar 2013 at 08:27 AM..
Reason: Added Summary.
| My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq SR5710F [Case only] OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD FX 8150 [16 Megs total Cache] Motherboard Asus M5A88-M Memory 16 Gigs [4 Gigs used for RAMDrive, 1 Gig for Shared Vid mem] Graphics Card Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU Sound Card ALC892 8-Channel High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays VGA main, HDMI to TV Screen Resolution VGA Screen: 1440 x 900 TV Screen: 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Wireless Mouse Wireless PSU 850 Watt Case Compaq SR5710F Cooling Default Hard Drives 120 Gig SSD 80-Gig secondary [VMs]
~2TB on server. [My Docs, Photos, Music, Desktop folders are on the server] Internet Speed Slow-ish Broadband Other Info 4 Gig RamDrive Y:\
Blue-Ray DL drive Z:\
Server: 2Ghz Single core, with about 2TB on it. WinServ2003Enterprise
MacBook: 2Ghz Core2Duo, 2Gigs, Snow 160Gigs
Toshiba Lap: 2.4Ghz, Single Core, Win7
Acer AspireOne: 1.6Ghz, Dual-Core, 1 Gig, XP Home
HP Lap: 1.8[?] Quad-Core, Win7
4 Android Devices
2 iPod Touch |
16 Mar 2013
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#4 | | Windows 7 x64 x86 North Western Indianapolis |
Well look at it this way. If you give your virtual machine all the cores WTF does the real machine run on?  Think about it???? | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Bluethunder OS Windows 7 x64 x86 CPU AMD Phenom II X6 1050T Motherboard ASUS M4A77T/USB3 (AM3) Memory G Skill F3-12800CL9-4GBXL 16gb Graphics Card Gigabyte Silent GeForce 9800 GT Sound Card Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS Monitor(s) Displays LG L227WTG Screen Resolution 1680 x 1050 Keyboard IBM Mouse Logitech Laser LED PSU ENERMAX Liberty ELT620AWT 620W ATX12V SLI Case Rocketfish Full Tower Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus with push pull fans Hard Drives ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3250410AS ATA Device
ST3160212SCE ATA Device
ST31000528AS ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device
ST3320620A ATA Device Internet Speed Never fast enough Antivirus Avast and MSE on certian Virtual Machines Browser Firefox Other Info My other machine (Indianatone)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/1UK7LitZUqfPUBDlPZSg7Hv
This machine (Bluethunder)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/HOHBCzQyUsv3j6PVu3Qf2Fj
Chat Machine (Shadow)
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/FWdeKU0m2B3yyyG6RBZAXUD
All three of the machines are fed to three LG L227WTG @ 1680 x 1050 16:10 monitors.
Using Mouse Without Borders (Google it) |
16 Mar 2013
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#5 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Just outside Detroit |

Quote: Originally Posted by Indianatone Well look at it this way. If you give your virtual machine all the cores WTF does the real machine run on?  Think about it????  VirtualBox Multi-Threads. Like I said, once fully loaded, the cores dropped down to almost no load or completely idle.
OK. Looks like somebody needs to do a load test. [Probably in 2 days, I doubt I can do it before then, but...]
What should I do to give informative test results? [I don't want to just run a load program]
I think I'm going to do the same test with a 50% limit, and no limit. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq SR5710F [Case only] OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD FX 8150 [16 Megs total Cache] Motherboard Asus M5A88-M Memory 16 Gigs [4 Gigs used for RAMDrive, 1 Gig for Shared Vid mem] Graphics Card Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU Sound Card ALC892 8-Channel High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays VGA main, HDMI to TV Screen Resolution VGA Screen: 1440 x 900 TV Screen: 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Wireless Mouse Wireless PSU 850 Watt Case Compaq SR5710F Cooling Default Hard Drives 120 Gig SSD 80-Gig secondary [VMs]
~2TB on server. [My Docs, Photos, Music, Desktop folders are on the server] Internet Speed Slow-ish Broadband Other Info 4 Gig RamDrive Y:\
Blue-Ray DL drive Z:\
Server: 2Ghz Single core, with about 2TB on it. WinServ2003Enterprise
MacBook: 2Ghz Core2Duo, 2Gigs, Snow 160Gigs
Toshiba Lap: 2.4Ghz, Single Core, Win7
Acer AspireOne: 1.6Ghz, Dual-Core, 1 Gig, XP Home
HP Lap: 1.8[?] Quad-Core, Win7
4 Android Devices
2 iPod Touch |
16 Mar 2013
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#6 | | Win 7 Pro SP1 64 Bit Northeast Ohio |
I would not recommend placing all of your cores to the VM. It does not need that many to run efficiently. | My System Specs | | Computer type PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number Custom Build OS Win 7 Pro SP1 64 Bit CPU Intel Core i7 960 @3.20 GHz Motherboard MSI MS7522 Memory 24.0 GB DDR3 Graphics Card GeForce GTX 460 Monitor(s) Displays LG E2341 23 Inch Screen Resolution 1920x1080 Keyboard Ms Wireless Mouse MS Optical Wireless PSU 700 Watt Case Haf 912 Cooling Fans Hard Drives 1TB Western Dgital 1002FAEX-00Y9A0
1TB Hitachi HDS721010CLA322 Internet Speed Cable Antivirus Avast Internet Security 8.0.1483/MBAM Browser Firefox 21 Beta 3 Other Info MalwareBytes Anti-Rootkit utility |
16 Mar 2013
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#7 | | |

Quote: Originally Posted by JoesMorgue What would be the best configuration for the Virtual Computer?
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The XP system is mostly used by me for now, mainly getting it to function properly. SOME flash games, havn't tried a real game on it yet... The best configuration depends on what you are running on the XP system. I only assign 1 CPU (core?) and very little RAM (92MB). Because I run multiple XP VMs at the same time. The app running in these VMs is running as fast as it can and I can easily time the length of time that the app takes to complete its task. Adding more cores and more RAM did not help me for this app.
I also limit each VirtualBox VM to the same one core (CPU ?) on the host via task manager. I've been told this is not a good idea, but my testing shows no real improvement for my XP app if more cores are assigned to VirtualBox - but I did notice a difference in the responsiveness in the host while the VMs were running if I do not limit VirtualBox. If you will be not be using the host while you are using the XP VM, then your "best configuration" would far different than mine.
As far as what is the best benchmarking app(s) for your XP VM - again, that depends on what you will normally be doing in the VM. You can tweak your VirtualBox setup to achieve the best multi-threaded benchmark results using a tool like wPrime ( About wPrime | wPrime), but if that benchmark loading does not model the gaming loading, then that might not be the best VirtualBox setup. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Employer provided Dell E6430 OS W7 Pro SP1 64bit CPU i5 3320M @ 2.6GHz Motherboard 0CPWYR Memory 4GB Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 4000 Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 Hard Drives 119GB LITEONIT SSD Antivirus Employer mandated Symantec Endpoint Protection Browser Firefox, IE9 & IE8 via VM |
16 Mar 2013
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#8 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Just outside Detroit |

Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues The best configuration depends on what you are running on the XP system. I only assign 1 CPU (core?) and very little RAM (92MB). Because I run multiple XP VMs at the same time. The app running in these VMs is running as fast as it can and I can easily time the length of time that the app takes to complete its task. Adding more cores and more RAM did not help me for this app.
I also limit each VirtualBox VM to the same one core (CPU ?) on the host via task manager. I've been told this is not a good idea, but my testing shows no real improvement for my XP app if more cores are assigned to VirtualBox - but I did notice a difference in the responsiveness in the host while the VMs were running if I do not limit VirtualBox. If you will be not be using the host while you are using the XP VM, then your "best configuration" would far different than mine.
As far as what is the best benchmarking app(s) for your XP VM - again, that depends on what you will normally be doing in the VM. You can tweak your VirtualBox setup to achieve the best multi-threaded benchmark results using a tool like wPrime ( About wPrime | wPrime), but if that benchmark loading does not model the gaming loading, then that might not be the best VirtualBox setup. As far as what I will be doing, that is a good question...
I almost NEVER do anything on my 8 core that works a single core, let alone uses multiples. I went overboard partially because my wife said I had to spend $500 to get the year free financing, AND she found some dual-core machines around the $600. I went over her price by about $70 with the blue ray burner. I got the best bang for the buck!
I play BTD5, and the upper rounds tend to load a core pretty well, if my daughter wants to play RollerCoaster Tycoon, she can just minimize my game and play, if my wife needs to do something on it, hit the WinKey, and she could go. The loads never seem to change the behavior of the machine. We word process, SOME spreadsheets, and things like that. The idea of XP is to allow somebody else to do some of the same things on the computer at the same time.
I just wish the built in video could share more than a gig of RAM. I've thought about my son playing W.O.W. on XP while I'm using 7. [XP has the larger screen] | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq SR5710F [Case only] OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD FX 8150 [16 Megs total Cache] Motherboard Asus M5A88-M Memory 16 Gigs [4 Gigs used for RAMDrive, 1 Gig for Shared Vid mem] Graphics Card Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU Sound Card ALC892 8-Channel High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays VGA main, HDMI to TV Screen Resolution VGA Screen: 1440 x 900 TV Screen: 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Wireless Mouse Wireless PSU 850 Watt Case Compaq SR5710F Cooling Default Hard Drives 120 Gig SSD 80-Gig secondary [VMs]
~2TB on server. [My Docs, Photos, Music, Desktop folders are on the server] Internet Speed Slow-ish Broadband Other Info 4 Gig RamDrive Y:\
Blue-Ray DL drive Z:\
Server: 2Ghz Single core, with about 2TB on it. WinServ2003Enterprise
MacBook: 2Ghz Core2Duo, 2Gigs, Snow 160Gigs
Toshiba Lap: 2.4Ghz, Single Core, Win7
Acer AspireOne: 1.6Ghz, Dual-Core, 1 Gig, XP Home
HP Lap: 1.8[?] Quad-Core, Win7
4 Android Devices
2 iPod Touch |
16 Mar 2013
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#9 | | |
Ok, I'll show my ignorance here:
I'm not sure how W.O.W. could be played via a VB XP VM while also using the host. How would you share the mouse/keyboard?
This might be of interest to you... When HyperThreading Hurts
...especially the bottom part about AMD CPUs. | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Employer provided Dell E6430 OS W7 Pro SP1 64bit CPU i5 3320M @ 2.6GHz Motherboard 0CPWYR Memory 4GB Graphics Card Intel HD Graphics 4000 Screen Resolution 1600 x 900 Hard Drives 119GB LITEONIT SSD Antivirus Employer mandated Symantec Endpoint Protection Browser Firefox, IE9 & IE8 via VM |
16 Mar 2013
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#10 | | Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Just outside Detroit |

Quote: Originally Posted by UsernameIssues Ok, I'll show my ignorance here:
I'm not sure how W.O.W. could be played via a VB XP VM while also using the host. How would you share the mouse/keyboard?
This might be of interest to you... When HyperThreading Hurts
...especially the bottom part about AMD CPUs. My computer has two wireless keyboards & mice [mouses?] "connected" to it The secondaries sit on top of my DVD player under the TV with the batteries taken out. When XP is running, it get exclusiveness to the secondary set. If you run it fullscreen on my TV and move mouse 1 over it, NP. If you move mouse 1 to the monitor, mouse 2 will only control the mouse in XP and cannot go over to the monitor. If you click off of XP with mouse 1, mouse 2 continues to work in XP. Same with the keyboard. If you click on XP with mouse 1, either keyboard can type in XP, if not, only keyboard 2.
Because of the kb/mouse[mice?] setup, I think W.O.W. will work in XP just fine.
Now, if my Bulldozer would learn to HyperThread... [I also need a motherboard that takes two of my CPUs] | My System Specs | | System Manufacturer/Model Number Compaq SR5710F [Case only] OS Windows 7 Ultimate x64 CPU AMD FX 8150 [16 Megs total Cache] Motherboard Asus M5A88-M Memory 16 Gigs [4 Gigs used for RAMDrive, 1 Gig for Shared Vid mem] Graphics Card Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4250 GPU Sound Card ALC892 8-Channel High Def Audio Monitor(s) Displays VGA main, HDMI to TV Screen Resolution VGA Screen: 1440 x 900 TV Screen: 1920 x 1080 Keyboard Wireless Mouse Wireless PSU 850 Watt Case Compaq SR5710F Cooling Default Hard Drives 120 Gig SSD 80-Gig secondary [VMs]
~2TB on server. [My Docs, Photos, Music, Desktop folders are on the server] Internet Speed Slow-ish Broadband Other Info 4 Gig RamDrive Y:\
Blue-Ray DL drive Z:\
Server: 2Ghz Single core, with about 2TB on it. WinServ2003Enterprise
MacBook: 2Ghz Core2Duo, 2Gigs, Snow 160Gigs
Toshiba Lap: 2.4Ghz, Single Core, Win7
Acer AspireOne: 1.6Ghz, Dual-Core, 1 Gig, XP Home
HP Lap: 1.8[?] Quad-Core, Win7
4 Android Devices
2 iPod Touch XP x64 in VirtualBox on Win7 x64 optimum setup problems? All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:17 PM. | |