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Windows 7: Machines which CAN run XP mode

06 Mar 2010   #1
artfd

Win XP, Win 7
 
 
Machines which CAN run XP mode

I skimmed this part of the forum & see mostly complaints about people who CAN'T run XP mode on their Windows 7 machines. I really wish people would report their success with specifics, such as make & model, to guide others who haven't yet bought anything. Manufacturers, sellers and reviewers don't mention this either, so it is very hard to determine if a machine CAN run XP mode. Just a compatible CPU is not enough, so you can't count on that.
A friend of mine recently acquired an Acer 5430-6670 with Win 7 Pro on it. He was able to run in XP mode without any problems.
None of the sellers advertising this product mention this capability.


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06 Mar 2010   #2
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I don't have any machines which are unable to run Windows XP Mode. I've got a laptop with a core 2 duo, a desktop with a quad core at home, a desktop with a dual core at work and they all work just fine.

However, I don't use XP mode as performance stinks. Instead I use VMWare Player 3.0. It runs circles around XP mode.
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06 Mar 2010   #3
ickymay

win7 ultimate / virtual box
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I don't have any machines which are unable to run Windows XP Mode. I've got a laptop with a core 2 duo, a desktop with a quad core at home, a desktop with a dual core at work and they all work just fine.

However, I don't use XP mode as performance stinks. Instead I use VMWare Player 3.0. It runs circles around XP mode.
windows xp mode is laggy difficult to setup folder sharing and only displays in 16bit colours unless you disable the integration features , and XP Mode is only available in Win 7 - Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate

I love win7 but I'm not impressed with XP mode

I personally use Sun Virtualbox and it has none of these limitations and runs very well
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06 Mar 2010   #4
artfd

Win XP, Win 7
 
 

I am aware of the drawbacks both of you have mentioned.
Would either of you be so kind as to post the make & model of the commercially-available machines which you have found DO run Win XP mode? That's information which no one seems to share. I see your personal specs indicate you have built machines from scratch, but what about machines people can buy over the counter?
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06 Mar 2010   #5
karlsnooks

MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
 
 

AMD Virtualization Compatibility Check Utility

This is for AMD chips. I'll see if I can find companion info on Intel. I know that I had it at one time.

haven't found it. Here are a couple of more links which may be of interest.

Virtual Varia
VirtualBox
Windows Virtual PC Home Page
Windows Virtualization Team Blog
x86 virtualization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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07 Mar 2010   #6
artfd

Win XP, Win 7
 
 

Whether or not a machine can run XP mode is not just due to the CPU. The BIOS has to permit it, and the motherboard has to be compatible. I found that out when I added a Celeron E3200 CPU to an ECS GF7100PVT-M motherboard, hoping to get that capability. The motherboard turned out to be incompatible, although otherwise the combination works just fine.
Intel has a list of the chipsets that are supposedly compatible with XP mode, but I would much prefer for the manufacturer of the computer to specify that (or not). By & large they don't.
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07 Mar 2010   #7
ickymay

win7 ultimate / virtual box
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by artfd View Post
Whether or not a machine can run XP mode is not just due to the CPU. The BIOS has to permit it, and the motherboard has to be compatible. I found that out when I added a Celeron E3200 CPU to an ECS GF7100PVT-M motherboard, hoping to get that capability. The motherboard turned out to be incompatible, although otherwise the combination works just fine.
Intel has a list of the chipsets that are supposedly compatible with XP mode, but I would much prefer for the manufacturer of the computer to specify that (or not). By & large they don't.
i guess it's still in it's infancy really ?
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07 Mar 2010   #8
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by artfd View Post
I am aware of the drawbacks both of you have mentioned.
Would either of you be so kind as to post the make & model of the commercially-available machines which you have found DO run Win XP mode? That's information which no one seems to share. I see your personal specs indicate you have built machines from scratch, but what about machines people can buy over the counter?
The only manufactured PC that I have is my laptop. It's a Dell Latitude E6400 with the Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 CPU running at 2.4Ghz. The rest of my home PC's at this time and my work lab boxes are all custom builds.
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07 Mar 2010   #9
JonM33

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by artfd View Post
I skimmed this part of the forum & see mostly complaints about people who CAN'T run XP mode on their Windows 7 machines. I really wish people would report their success with specifics, such as make & model, to guide others who haven't yet bought anything. Manufacturers, sellers and reviewers don't mention this either, so it is very hard to determine if a machine CAN run XP mode. Just a compatible CPU is not enough, so you can't count on that.
A friend of mine recently acquired an Acer 5430-6670 with Win 7 Pro on it. He was able to run in XP mode without any problems.
None of the sellers advertising this product mention this capability.
Only those that don't meet minimum requirements cannot run it. That's basically 2GB RAM and a CPU that supports virtualization technology (VT-x for Intel and AMD-V for AMD). You can look up your CPU specs on whether or not it supports that.
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08 Mar 2010   #10
artfd

Win XP, Win 7
 
 

[QUOTE=JonM33;611042]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by artfd View Post
You can look up your CPU specs on whether or not it supports that.
The CPU is not the only limiting factor, even allowing for the other conditions you just described. The motherboard and the chips on it can also prevent virtualization from being usable. From Intel's mouth: "Intel® Virtualization Technology also requires a computer system with a chipset, BIOS, enabling software and/or operating system, device drivers, and applications designed for this feature."
Intel has a downloadable utility you can run (forget where it is at the moment) on a machine with an Intel chip in it to determine whether or not it can run XP mode. I ran it on my E3200 Celeron installed on my old motherboard & was surprised to find the "CPU" was not compatible. I wrote to Intel about this discrepancy. They said the CPU was indeed capable of virtualization, but that their utility tested all the hardware at once to see if virtualization was possible. It would have been nice if the utility itself said that, instead of implying that the CPU was at fault. The Intel rep then pointed me to the information quoted in the first paragraph.
What gets me is that computer & motherboard manufacturers and the sellers of these products do not seem to know whether one of their products works (or doesn't work) with Win7 running XP mode. I think shoppers will need to take a bootable CDROM with the detection utilities on it, and run it on any machine or motherboard they are considering.
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