SP 1 Update

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  1. Posts : 6,618
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       #11

    Then again, maybe I won't install SP1. I created a DVD with the ISO using ImgBurn, which said that it had completed successfully, after verifying the burn, but for some reason, it won't boot to the disk, with the right DVD drive set as the first boot device. I can hear it start to read the drive, but then it continues on to a regular boot, so obviously it can't read the disk.

    I checked the disk in a file manager, and it appears that the necessary files exist on the disk, but something is awry. Since there is a setup.exe on the disk, is there a reason that I can't use it from desktop, rather than on boot?
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  2. Posts : 6,668
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       #12

    You shouldn't have to boot from it it's an update not a operating system.
    Just run it off the disc.
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  3. Posts : 6,618
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       #13

    Since I just had my first BSOD, I need to analyze the dump file. I installed the Windows_Win7SP1.7601.17514.101119-1850.AMD64CHK.Symbols.msi, which seemed to go properly, but when I started to install the Windows_Win7SP1.7601.17514.101119-1850.AMD64FRE.Symbols.msi, the initial setup screen appeared identical to the first. Obviously, the two files are different, but I do not understand whether one or both should be installed, and if only one, how does one know which it should be?
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  4. Posts : 6,668
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       #14

    don't install symbol packs that way just get windbg and follow the msn instructions for symbols.
    Use the Microsoft Symbol Server to obtain debug symbol files
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  5. Posts : 5,605
    Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
       #15

    smsff7 said:
    seekermeister said:
    smsff7 said:
    Strange, but I think I remember there was an update that was needed for future updates. So maybe one of them is needed before it will give you the option?
    I do remember something about that update, but it seems to me that it was released after SP1, therefore it shouldn't be involved...don't know.
    I thought one was released before SP1 was released.
    This may be the update you are referring to:

    SP 1 Update-update.jpg

    Source: Windows 7 (KB976902) to enable future updates. - Microsoft Answers


    First it was on.
    Then it was off.
    Then it was back on.
    Pa Bear's last edit was on 1-12-11

    The links he provides in order:
    Demystifying KB976902, a.k.a. Microsoft’s “Blackhole” Update — Krebs on Security

    An update that prevents a "0xC0000034" error message when you try to install Windows 7 SP1 or Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 is available

    Windows Update - Hide or Restore Hidden Updates

    I willingly installed it, surprisingly on 1-12-11 with no ill effects.
    SP 1 Update-update1.jpg

    SP1 was installed on 2-22-11 first attempt.
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  6. Posts : 6,618
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       #16

    Anak said:
    smsff7 said:
    seekermeister said:

    I do remember something about that update, but it seems to me that it was released after SP1, therefore it shouldn't be involved...don't know.
    I thought one was released before SP1 was released.
    This may be the update you are referring to:

    SP 1 Update-update.jpg

    Source: Windows 7 (KB976902) to enable future updates. - Microsoft Answers


    First it was on.
    Then it was off.
    Then it was back on.
    Pa Bear's last edit was on 1-12-11

    The links he provides in order:
    Demystifying KB976902, a.k.a. Microsoft’s “Blackhole” Update — Krebs on Security

    An update that prevents a "0xC0000034" error message when you try to install Windows 7 SP1 or Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 is available

    Windows Update - Hide or Restore Hidden Updates

    I willingly installed it, surprisingly on 1-12-11 with no ill effects.
    SP 1 Update-update1.jpg

    SP1 was installed on 2-22-11 first attempt.
    Thanks, but I have already gotten past that part of my questions. Now I have do decide what to do about the symbols. Maybe Windbg is the way to go, as Magnuscreed suggests, but I would still like to understand what the difference is between the two symbol update files that I mentioned?
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  7. Posts : 5,605
    Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
       #17

    Have you seen this thread? Standalone debugging symbols: Free or checked?

    Then:
    The symbol download packages are listed by processor type (x86, Itanium, and x64) and build type (retail and checked). Almost all customers require the symbols for the retail version. If you are debugging a special version of Windows with extra debugging information, then you should download the symbols for the checked version.
    Source: Download Windows Symbol Packages

    So far this is the best description I have found for retail (free) and checked. From my Windbg program help files ver SP 1 Update-111fb.jpg:

    Windows Symbols
    Microsoft Windows 2000 keeps its symbols in files with the extensions .pdb and .dbg. Windows XP and later versions of Windows use .pdb files exclusively. Windows drivers can follow either model.
    The compiler and the linker control the symbol format. The Visual C++ 5.0 Linker creates both .pdb and .dbg symbol files — the .dbg files it creates are essentially pointers to the .pdb files. The Visual C++ 6.0 Linker, as well as the linkers of later versions of Visual Studio, places all symbols into .pdb files.
    The Windows operating system is built in two versions. The free build (or retail build) has relatively small binaries, and the checked build (or debug build) has larger binaries, with more debugging symbols in the code itself. Each of these builds has its own symbol files. When debugging a target on Windows, you must use the symbol files that match the build of Windows on the target.
    The following table lists several of the directories which exist in a standard Windows symbol tree:
    Directory Contains Symbol Files for ACM Microsoft Audio Compression Manager files COM Executable files (.com) CPL Control Panel programs DLL Dynamic-link library files (.dll) DRV Driver files (.drv) EXE Executable files (.exe) SCR Screen-saver files SYS Driver files (.sys)
    SP 1 Update-1fb.jpgSP 1 Update-11fb.jpg

    More:
    Select the Debugging Tools option under the Common Utilities if you want the x64 version of the Debugging Tools and you are installing on an x64 computer. This option automatically detects the CPU architecture of the computer on which you are installing the tools and it is the fastest method of installing the tools.
    Source: Debugging Tools for Windows 64-bit Version

    Allowing the download center to determine your CPU architecture would seem to me the best option, then if you need the others you could download them later i.e. (x86, and Itanium).

    Maybe Windbg is the way to go, as Magnuscreed suggests,
    I have found when I use Windbg if it needs a certain set of files it will go and get them
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  8. Posts : 6,618
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       #18

    Hmm, I guess that since I installed the checked symbols, I need to now uninstall them, and revert to Windbg as suggested. The only thing that I found confusing, was the suggestion in the first link that checked for needed for dealing with BSODs, which as far as I can see, is the primary need for the symbols in the first place. However, it is not too uncommon for me to get confused in such matters.
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  9. Posts : 6,668
    Windows 7 x64
       #19

    small note when you install windbg after you run the symbol command I linked, be sure to save your workspace and then close right away before doing anything else
    from then on you start with it automatically loaded.
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