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Windows 7: I am utterly dissapointed with Microsoft...

31 Oct 2011   #31
Darkelk

Windows 7 64 Home Premium
 
 

If you have results or proof of evidence with what's been going on, take that with you when you see them so they know what to look for.


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31 Oct 2011   #32
ArgentineBoy

W7 ULTIMATE 64b
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Darkelk View Post
If you have results or proof of evidence with what's been going on, take that with you when you see them so they know what to look for.
Yes, you're right, I'll take photos and save all these screenshots in case they dont seem to notice anything.

Right now im going to test the HD again with the Western Digital Data Lifeguard.
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31 Oct 2011   #33
gregrocker

 

Again run the WD DIgital LIfeguard extended test

Then run a full Disk Check with both boxes checked.

Have you done the clean reinstall yet? Did you wipe the HD? WD CD can do this for you.

If you notice the heat building too much then I'd wait until the CPU is repasted before doing much more.
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31 Oct 2011   #34
ArgentineBoy

W7 ULTIMATE 64b
 
 

Have you done the clean reinstall yet? Did you wipe the HD? WD CD can do this for you.

If you notice the heat building too much then I'd wait until the CPU is repasted before doing much more.

I did the Clean Reinstall with "writing zeros-clean all command-wipe clean the hard drive" yesterday.By the start of page nº3, the clean reinstall was already done. All the problems that have come up since the start of page nº3, are with clean reinstall.
RIght now, the extended HD extended test is halway done.
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31 Oct 2011   #35
gregrocker

 

It's hardware. Work with the Crashes forum to analyze your minidump file.

Then if you need further help start a new thread in Hardware forum with the problem concisely stated in your title, since this title likely annoys many of the senior experts who could help you most.
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31 Oct 2011   #36
ArgentineBoy

W7 ULTIMATE 64b
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
It's hardware. Work with the Crashes forum to analyze your minidump file.

Then if you need further help start a new thread in Hardware forum with the problem concisely stated in your title, since this title likely annoys many of the senior experts who could help you most.
Yeap, I've thinking the same.

Finished the Extended Test....it came out with a PASS. No errors

This is too confusing....

Ok, anyway, thanks for all the help you've given me.
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31 Oct 2011   #37
gregrocker

 

Don't give up, just use the resources we have that are best suited to get this solved: first analyze the Crash minidump thoroughly and work through those findings, then tap the Hardware experts.

You can post back here any time but this forum is mainly for Updates and Activation experts. I would ask the Mods to move the thread to Hardware but I think the title will get you less help than if you post fresh with very concise title and briefing of issues.
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31 Oct 2011   #38
Thorsen

Win7 Home Premium 64x
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ArgentineBoy View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.
Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Think of it like a car. when you first start it it is cold etc. Well with power supplies it is like this too only in another way.

The transistors inside the PSU hold a certain charge and when used continuously they dont show any errors, but when you first start your computer you are flooding the whole PSU and Motherboard and all components with electricity. This is when BSoD's are most prone to happen with a failing PSU.

The other is after long amounts of use. the PSU starts to wear down and the components that can fail eventually do. If you see BSoD's on startup two or three times then a normal start the the culprit is usually the PSU. It could still be the Motherboard, but most times its the PSU.

I think you are seeing a Sag in electric current and it is not as dangerous as a spike, but can still cause BSoD's too. You can get something like this: http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?s...lerid=33250433

to see what your voltage is doing. Also if this is the problem, then an easy solution is to get a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply). That will provide a consistent voltage for the computer when the power spikes or sags.

LIke this: http://www.buy.com/prod/cyberpower-9...204694862.html

(I dont usually shop at Buy.com...just thought It would give you an idea of what to look for)
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31 Oct 2011   #39
ArgentineBoy

W7 ULTIMATE 64b
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Thorsen View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ArgentineBoy View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mjf View Post
Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.
Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Think of it like a car. when you first start it it is cold etc. Well with power supplies it is like this too only in another way.

The transistors inside the PSU hold a certain charge and when used continuously they dont show any errors, but when you first start your computer you are flooding the whole PSU and Motherboard and all components with electricity. This is when BSoD's are most prone to happen with a failing PSU.

The other is after long amounts of use. the PSU starts to wear down and the components that can fail eventually do. If you see BSoD's on startup two or three times then a normal start the the culprit is usually the PSU. It could still be the Motherboard, but most times its the PSU.

I think you are seeing a Sag in electric current and it is not as dangerous as a spike, but can still cause BSoD's too. You can get something like this: Buy.com - GFCI & Receptacle Tester

to see what your voltage is doing. Also if this is the problem, then an easy solution is to get a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply). That will provide a consistent voltage for the computer when the power spikes or sags.

LIke this: Buy.com - CyberPower 9-Outlet Intelligent LCD Series 1000VA 600 Watt UPS

(I dont usually shop at Buy.com...just thought It would give you an idea of what to look for)
Man, you guys are great.

Ok, I'll do the following. First check the minidumps and see what's inside them. Then, after (hopefully) seeing what's going on with the BSOD I will decide whether to take the machine again to the technicians or not. IF I decide to take it, I'll go with my father and explain them very carefully what has been happening and ask them to test every component of the computer.

I guess this will take more or less 2 weeks, as right now my pop is out of the country Hope to get the machine right in time to play BF3 online and to do those history works without trouble .

Right now, these components are ruled out due to extensive research and tests:
-Hard Drive is perfect
-Ram Is perfect (also managed to test them individually, ON COLD BOOT, they didnt show any error).
-CPU is perfect (Extensive OCCT and Prime95 tests).

So....these things are the only things left:
-The ATI RADEON HD5850
-The PSU
-The motherboard.

The last 2 ones will be easy to replace, as here in Argentina we got an official thermaltake provider and there's a company which is specialized in repairing faulty MOBOS.

The only thing that would be a pain in the 455 would be the HD5850....having to RMA it to the 'States and then wait for the answer takes like 1 month.

Hope you find like 100 dollars on the street or in any other place, you deserve them for helping so much people!
EDIT: Checked their page (http://www.mothersolution.com.ar/) and there's something quite funny:

Quote:
Primero deberia descartar cualquier problema de software. Si asi lo hizo y continua el problema, podría ser el motherboard.

01.- La PC no apaga
02.- La PC se apaga
03.- Windows no inicia
04.- Windows falla luego de una instalación (Windows is faulty after fresh install).
05.- La PC se tilda o reinicia (PC crashes or BSODS).
06.- No funciona la red
07.- No funcionan los puertos de mouse o teclado
08.- No funcionan los USB
09.- Puertos bloqueados
Number 04 and 05 are the things that are happening to me...
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